Mildric

[Gungjuilio]

You were not attacked mercilessly by a bunch of -=DoW=-..We warned you two times then on the third time kicked you... You were also directed to this particular forum where the rules are posted..Rules are Rules!!! and if you decide you know whats right for my children from now one...come on down here and start paying my bills...Then you can decide whats good for them and whats not!
As for not visiting -=DoW=- ever again?? That, just my opinion, is your loss.. -=DoW=- has a lot of really nice and fun people.
Good luck to you and next time read the rules of the private server before you go into it and you may fare much better.

[Mildric]

I actually did honor your rules, but I did want to talk to an admin about it. When I found the admin, I asked him why damn was blocked, using the word again. That is when I was kicked. Personally, I would think any admin who _cared_ would actually hear me out before he did whatever. And I would've been fine, if he had done so.

Here is the story of what happened, perhaps you didnt know it all:
I came to the -=DoW=- server to practice sniping. Im playing well for about 6 hours, when someone shoots me from an unknown spot. I said: Damn, good shot, where'd you hit me from? (That is a compliment, not cursing someone out). Then, I happened to say it again to another guy, and a -=DoW=- informs me of the rules. I ask who I could see about the rules, and when Mad Angus signed on, he pointed me towards him.
When I went to ask Angus, instead of hearing me out, he promptly kicked me.

I came to your forums just to ask and back myself up, and again, though you say you dont, was attacked. I appreciate the -=DoW=- team backing team mates up, its an admirable quality, but sometimes you can back people up blindly.


I myself lived in Europe for 2-3 years. I believe the cursing is more frequent there. Perhaps not as much as home, but equal if not more frequent outside in the 'public' eye. But, in the language, the word 'damn' is only illustrated in one word, as we have many to represent it.

If only someone had heard me out, instead of making rash actions, I would not be here. But, even though you may not change the rules, here is my opinion and perhaps you may, in time, tweak the rules a little:

No bad language that the normal AA Language filter would block. Do not use any words that the AA Language filter would not block that is used towards another person.

But I guess I'm just a punk in your opinion, so I'll leave you alone.

[IsZi]

Gungjulio:
There's only one thing wrong with this topic.
It's essentially a reply to a locked topic.
Topics are locked for a reason.
It is an affront to the authority of the Forum Moderator to create a new topic in reply to a locked one.
Other than that, nothing wrong with the post.
Just thought that should be pointed out.

To Mildric:
Topic was locked.
Whatever was done is done, and won't be changed by your whining or complaining or anything.
So drop it.

And now my comments on a topic that was locked before I even had a shot to put my two cents in, and wasn't going to say anything on until I saw it continued in another topic:

Y'allz really need to lighten up with the word "Damn". I mean, not even the game censors that word. And we're talking about the same game that used to censor the word "camp". Damn is even allowed in some movies that are rated PG. Kids generally start using the word damn a lot earlier than they would plan on using other words like sh*t or f*ck or b*tch. So, really, unless it's being used aggressively and abusively towards other players, I see little to no reason to censor it. Generally, when I'm Admin on Duty, I let "damn" and "hell" fly. (Well, unless someone's being told "Damn you, and go to hell!") Censoring such "little" words is really just kinda ridiculous.

Another comment to Mildric:

Our rules were made to ammend several gaps (large enough to park a double-semi in) left in the AA rules. Therefore, in writing our rules, I doubt we plan on making reference to AA rules.

Yet another comment to Mildric (Editing as I re-read things here):

Perhaps, had you left the last paragraph out of your original post, you would have been taken a little more seriously.

I ask, does -=DoW=- have honor? Did they do the right thing? If that is how all -=DoW=- act then I'm ashamed I spent 12 hours wasting my life playing on the -=DoW=- sever, and I urge anyone to avoid these members at all cost.

Are you saying that you are throwing away 11.75 hours of great playing time on our servers, just because of a little bad run-in with the admins that lasted probably all of 15 minutes or less?

I'm glad, for your sake (and only your sake) that you didn't come back on the server right then, and take this kind of attitude up with the Admin, because then you could have easily gotten BANNED for disrespecting an Admin on duty.

That would meant that you wouldn't be able to come back on our servers again, even if you wanted to! That would also mean that you would likely not be allowed to join any of our allied clans, or play on their servers either. And that covers a pretty good hunk of the full-time sniper-only servers that there are in this game. Not to mention the only servers as well-policed as ours, where there's usually some way to get an Admin on, in short order, when necessary.

[Mildric]

Thank you though, for finding a 'medium' in these conversations.
And yes, that paragraph up there was pretty stupid, I admit. But I was aggrivated. The losing of 'honor' had nothing to do with keeping to the rules, infact, it was an honorable move on the -=DoW=- part.

Take care.

[Acedeal]

Copied from AA's website.

IMPORTANT: (What can get you banned)

Cheating - If you caught cheating by an Army Game Admin on Official servers, you are banned for life. There are no second chances for cheaters. No, we will not tell you how you were caught cheating, but rest assured, if an AGA banned you, it was due to direct observation and not by the comments of any other user. AGAs have very specialized tools not available to the public to help them determine if a person is cheating.

AGAs have been involved with this game since the Alpha stage - meaning they are well versed in what’s possible and what’s not. AGAs go through an extensive training process to reach their position, and yes they are paid and have their work reviewed regularly.

Please be aware that sometimes bans take up to 24 hours to be placed.

-=DoW=- Bans are instant

Language - If you were warned for vulgar/offensive language and still persisted in the act, you are banned for life. If you chime in with vulgar/offensive language after you witnessed an admin remove another player from the server for the same offense, you will be banned without the benefit of a warning.

Moderate cursing is currently allowed on the Official servers. If you are warned by an AGA for your language please be sure to abide by that request to tone it down. Remember that the purpose of AA:O is not 'cursing', but in defeating the opposing team with your motor-skills, not your motor-mouth; the game has a Teen rating.

I'm really not concerned what AA's rules are on Language. While they allow "Moderate Cursing", we have no tolerance for it. We are here to enjoy the game. I for one am not interested in some 12 year old using "Moderate Cussing". Basically what AA is saying is they have guildlines for cursing.. We have rules that state there will be no foul language, cursing, arguing with an admin.
If you break those rules, rest assured that you will be kicked and or up to including banned from -=DoW=- servers.

Please notice this part in the offical rules of AA Moderate cursing is currently allowed on the Official servers

"Guess what, your not on an offical server.." You are in our "House, and as such, you will abide by our rules, however lienant or strict they may be. You do not have to agree to our rules, but will abide by them.

The thing that totally amazes me about all this whinning about about "I GOT KICKED FOR x Reason".

SO WHAT... !!!!! you got kicked, you lost what...30 seconds to 8 mins of game play.... reconnect to the game, keep your mouth shut, have fun, and follow the rules..


You do not like the rules @ -=DoW=-, then i sugguest that you find another server that is monitored almost 24x7, has you spawn with a sniper rifle, has disabled cheats, set up rules and boundaries to make the game more then a rambo-wanna-ba, nade tossing, frag fest, bunny hopping, AA offical server or some other -=DoW=- wanna-be copy-cat Sniper Only server..

"We mean what we say, we made the game "Sniper ONLY", We mean what we say " NO CUSSING"...

I mean what I say " You do not like the Rules here, find another server to play on".

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[Gungjuilio]

Rgr that Coby and Ace... I will discontinue immediately about this...just got me a little fired up...especially when he called me to the mat about my kids..Done deal..will not happen again.

[Mildric]

My last two cents before I let go and move on,

If you do not have the stomach, or the tolerance, to see someone say damn, then heaven knows where you find the stomach to kill people, and the tolerance to waste away in front of a computer whilst you do it.

I do not know, now, why any -=DoW=- server is open to the public. You keep an iron fist around it, and when someone feels comfortable enough to say damn, you do jump on him. A person has no rights on your server, unlike any official and NONoffical servers, which make gaming entirely NOT fun.

You may not listen to me, but you will listen to a crowd, and it is ever-growing as you continue with you gross-righteous attitude and arrogant posture that you are great, and will not listen to anyone who isnt grovling before you apologizing.

Gung, I did NOT bring your kids to the mat, you did by saying they watch you play. I stepped up and said you need to get your parenting rights in order, for you do. Anyone who allows their child to witness murder instead of hearing the word damn should go to a parenting class to learn how to rightfully bring up a child.

Now my post may be deleted, I may become an effigy, but so be it. I've said what I needed to say, and hopefully bring your heads back out of the cyber world and into reality.

Goodbye, and good luck in life.

[IsZi]

*sigh*
Part of the entire point of the language rules, strict as they may be, is to help enforce respect for each other in the game. This kid obviously doesn't seem to give a damn hoot about showing respect to anyone. Guess Angus should have gone ahead and hit the BAN button instead of KICK.

I know I will, next time I see him. We don't need players with this kind of attitude on our servers. I tried to explain to him that, while he had a point, he was going about the wrong way in approaching us with it, because of the attitude he was giving. He apologized for it, but then turns around and throws out more smack talk right here.

He deserves whatever he had coming to him, that's all I have to say.

Back on the issue that this has raised in the first place, I do still believe that the restriction on "damn" is taking the rule a bit too far. Due to this controversy (since I know I'm not the only one with that belief), there really needs to be something declared and written specifically on this. Rules should be written so that they are either enforced uniformly or not at all.

Such is one of the reasons why we don't admin other clans' servers, or allow them to admin ours. There are too many diferences in the specifics of the rules that cause too much confusion. i.e.: Our Bridge (original) rules state that defense must stay BEHIND the third pillar, while the Hellmaker rules stated that they were not allowed PAST third pillar. This is a difference of about one or two feet on the map, and resulted in a negative experience between myself and MrScarywumpuss, back when we were allowed to admin the Hellmaker servers, and he was an -=HM=- admin.

Bottom line: Language rule needs to be fixed so there is no "gray area". Such words as "damn" and "hell" are not as universally offensive as the more recognized "f*ck" "sh*t" and "b*tch", and therefore a simple "No offensive language" statment might not cover those words in the eyes of some while it does in the eyes of others.

[Datack3]

Coby,

I disagree with you:

Back on the issue that this has raised in the first place, I do still believe that the restriction on "damn" is taking the rule a bit too far.

especially for someone going to church every now and then I don't understand your point of view. For as you should know to Damn someone is the worst You can ever wish to someone who is a christian. Don't understand me wrong, I am not a believer but i am convinced there are people out there being offended by it.

p.s. same as above for "Hell"


And now for my point of view:

I think being clear about the rules so
There will be no swearing whatsoever on our servers. This includes self-censorships and abbreviations such as, but not limited to: "WTF" or "Oh sh*t". Some more creative substitutionary words may be allowed, but only at the admin's discretion.
makes things clear for everyone. I don't care wath people are shouting at home behind there keyboard as long I'm not forced to lisen to it (read read it).



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[Acedeal]

The point to all this is...
There will be no swearing on the game servers..

if today we allow damn, then why not tomorrow just allow bitch, suck, whor e, fa g, hom o,.. Then next week we can allow, motherfucker, suck-ass, as swhole,
cu nt, pus sy,...etc..etc...

Current rules;
Man your good!
Brother where did you learn to shoot like that....

mildick rules;
DAMN, your good....
God damn your Good
Goddamn your good

Ok next week, we allow; some others that people say in everyday speak..Does not make it correct, just make you seem ignorant.

Dude, you shot me, you really SUCK..
DAMN YOU SUCK!
You guys here SUCK
ok, let's not forget ass....

You Guys suck ass
damn your an ass and you suck...

Ohh, everyone says fa g / hom o / ga y...let's not forget those......

Damn, you homos are so ga y..fa q you suck ass....

Shall I continue????

Where should I draw the line ..... Damn / Suck / Ass / fa g / hom o / Ga y / Bitch ????????

Why not just allow fuck.... eveyone says fuck...no that can not be construed as foul language.

Or how about, just plain and simple, NO FOUL LANGUAGE.........

I think "ASS" should be left in as a word.. That way I can log on to the game servers and tell everyone.............

I DON"T GIVE A RAT"S ASS...........Get off my Damn Servers........

[ Get the point yet? ] .......

[Datack3]

Nicly said ace :lol:

[IsZi]

Granted, my opinion is that "damn" should be allowable, but that's not my end point.

My end point is that the rules need to be SPECIFIC on this, so that we don't have people coming and criticizing Admins for their interpretation of them.

Such things as "No foul language" or "No swearing whatsoever" are statements that, while direct, still leave room for interpretation.

And to be quite frank, I think "ass" would be a good place to draw the line.
Our rules were written with the intent to enforce respect for each other. Not put tape over everyone's mouth. By what you're saying, AceDeal, you would kick me off the servers if I just said "Damn, I really suck tonight!". Who is that disrespecting but myself? What would be the point of it?

Like I said before. "Damn" and "Hell" aren't really horrible words when used in a non-aggressive context. Sh*t, B*tch, and F*ck... and even *ss, however, can immediately turn a mood of friendly competition into one of immediate hostility and offense, no matter how it is used.

i.e.: I would not kick someone for "Damn, I really suck tonight." Unless they really started getting carried away with it.

However, I would kick them for telling someone "Damn you, go to hell!"

One thing also that I do believe should be covered in the rules, though, is the usage of a diety's name in vain. (Or, rather, the forbidding of it.) This rule would cover God, Allah, Zeus, Ra, and whomever else the world may worship.

[Gungjuilio]

My apologies again Ace and Coby...I surely did not want to open this "can of worms" and make this a federal case so this guy could badger the forums on this subject....again my apologies for this ignorant posting of mine and I hope that this will end all these discussions on Mildric's part also..I am asking that this topic area please be locked for any further responses. As far as I am concerned this is a cut and dry closed case and I will wish that I had never opened this area to further discussion..It is a waste of your time, Ace and Coby, and mine. Points should be well taken from the "other" party involved and he should understand that he does not pay your bills or have any direct involvement of your servers. Basically he should "butt out" and move on with his gaming career without involving everyone and their mothers because he has a "wild hair" up an orifice that I am not willing to type on this page..
Please forgive me for opening this "can of regrettable worms" and lets get on with taking care of business that needs to be taken care of.
Thank-you for your time.

[ncarda]

I think its Admins discretion, the Admin can give one warning if its a "mild" swear, but I think it can be generally agreed that no warning needs to be given if the language is severe or if it used to attack someone else (even if those attacks on other people do not include swears).

[IsZi]

Agreed on that last half, ncarda. If language is severe, I cut 'em immediately with no warning. They wanna know why? They can come back or e-mail me.

First half though, is part of the reason for this whole ordeal. Things need to be written in black-and-white, so that we don't have to worry about people coming in and complaining about getting kicked with "Well, this other Admin lets me do this and this.... why not you?"

[Jester_of_Cause]

Heh, have been reading this thread of the forum for a bit, but finely decided to sign up and speak a little..

Your ideas about sticking to rules is a good one, and how if you budge a little, you might have to go the whole way.. but I dont think Mildric 'damned' anyone at all, but just said that was a good shot.. his damn just showing suprise. And if it offends Christians for saying it, they could just polietly ask the person not to say it again.
Secondly, Ace's milDICK attack was immature and completly undermined his argument for keeping the language for less-then-G-rated-movies standard. I've seen him in the past call Angus (in a joking manner, and I believe it was on his birthday thread) a b astard, or lucky b astard, or something like that. Can you tell me if that is any worse then MilDRIC's 'damn'? B astard is definetly much more severe, and both were done in a good mannerism..
But yes, it is your server, and no one can do anything about it but show their dislike or just go quiet.
I've visited the server once, and I applaud you for keeping it cheat-free. Hopefully a person can hold their tongue when playing, cause AA can get really involving and its sometimes hard to..

[Acedeal]

Heh, have been reading this thread of the forum for a bit, but finely decided to sign up and speak a little..

Your ideas about sticking to rules is a good one, and how if you budge a little, you might have to go the whole way.. but I dont think Mildric 'damned' anyone at all, but just said that was a good shot.. his damn just showing suprise. And if it offends Christians for saying it, they could just polietly ask the person not to say it again.

Secondly, Ace's milDICK attack was immature and completly undermined his argument for keeping the language for less-then-G-rated-movies standard. I've seen him in the past call Angus (in a joking manner, and I believe it was on his birthday thread) a b astard, or lucky b astard, or something like that. Can you tell me if that is any worse then MilDRIC's 'damn'? B astard is definetly much more severe, and both were done in a good mannerism..
But yes, it is your server, and no one can do anything about it but show their dislike or just go quiet.
I've visited the server once, and I applaud you for keeping it cheat-free. Hopefully a person can hold their tongue when playing, cause AA can get really involving and its sometimes hard to..

One, I do not think that I attacked him.. If i did, then I missed it.
Second, our forums are run a little different, so let's not bring in another subject. This whole discussion is on the "Game Servers" not what we say on the forums.. On the forums we pretty much know each others styles of writing, now if I had said that in the game servers, then you could have called me to the carpet on it.

[edit]
Ohh I see, I spelled his name wrong, it's mildric.. Opps, my fault.. Is this the attack that you are speaking of? His name...
Or the examples of the words that I used to prove that if you budge on a set rule, then there are those that will abuse it.

But alas, this is a moot point, you have not even seen me attack mildirc. my post was not even directed to him, but to the people that are reading this thread.
just FYI,
my attacks usually begin with "Dear (who ever, )" :)

PS. Thanks for pointing out that I spelled his name wrong, Sorry for the typo Mildric.

[IsZi]

I still don't see why the language rules shouldn't be enforced equally on the servers and on the public-side (at least, if not also member-side) of the forums. Just don't make sense.

[Acedeal]

Coby,
You are 100% correct. I'll begin work on language filters that are more precise and strict.

I'll be applying that "Duct Tape a little thicker and stonger now"