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-=DoW=- JBDiamonds
November 23rd, 2005, 01:33
If any of you still feel that this war on terror is a mistake, here is an opinion from an unexpected source.

This is not a problem that is going to be easy to solve. It is the struggle to maintain our Western way of life and the very culture that has made it possible. Lose this one, and our grandchildren will be speaking Arabic, those of them that survive the "conversion".


Look at what has been happening in Europe the last couple of weeks. For all practical purposes they won Spain without any effort on their part other than a couple of bombs in public places. Now they are burning Paris and hitting on Holland and Belgium and Jordan.


Better get serious, very, very serious!

This is a MUST read!

It's fascinating that this should come out of Europe. Matthias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publisher Axel Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT, Germany's largest daily paper, against the timid reaction of Europe in the face of the Islamic threat. This is a must read by all Americans. History will certify its correctness.

EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE (Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG)

A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true.

Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements.

Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe where for decades, inhuman suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities.

Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our work for us.

Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word quidistance,"now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.

Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace-movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt U.N. Oil-for-Food program. And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement. How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany?

I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists. One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolph Hitler, and declaring European "Peace in our time". What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.

It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness.

Only three recent American Presidents had the courage needed for anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush’s.

His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush’s, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against democracy. His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed.

In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers, America and China.

On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance", which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic so devoid of a moral compass.

For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake - literally everything.

While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".

These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house.

Appeasement? Europe, thy name is Cowardice.




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Origins: The editorial reproduced above, entitled "Europe, Thy Name Is Cowardice," was written by Mathias Döpfner, CEO of the large German publishing firm Axel Springer (http://www.axelspringer.de/englisch/home-e.htm), and published (http://www.welt.de/data/2004/11/20/363020.html) in the German periodical Die Welt on 20 November 2004.

A number of readers fluent in German have pointed out that the English translation in circulation contains a passage that wasn't part of the original article; namely, "Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt U.N. Oil-for-Food program." The translation also increases the number of deaths due to Saddam's murder machinery from 300,000 to 500,000.

Last updated: 11 February 2005

Dutchie
November 23rd, 2005, 02:11
hello and welcome to november 20th 2004.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/dapfner.asp
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thanks Ace for editing JB's post
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Please stop posting your propoganda about NOTHING, it will not start any kind of proper debate, and try to see Europe as individual countries, with individual agenda's and their own opinions.

Acedeal
November 23rd, 2005, 05:24
hello and welcome to november 20th 2004.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/dapfner.asp
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thanks Ace for editing JB's post
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Please stop posting your propoganda about NOTHING, it will not start any kind of proper debate, and try to see Europe as individual countries, with individual agenda's and their own opinions.

All I did was change the font size and font, colors and took off the entire post being bold -
no words were taken out or edited, only the layout was changed.

Dutchie
November 23rd, 2005, 06:50
me bad. thought you added the origin of the article.

Acedeal
November 23rd, 2005, 07:07
me bad. thought you added the origin of the article.

they were already there, they were just black on black so you could not read them

-=DoW=- Body Piercer
November 23rd, 2005, 11:57
hello and welcome to november 20th 2004.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/dapfner.asp
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thanks Ace for editing JB's post
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Please stop posting your propoganda about NOTHING, it will not start any kind of proper debate, and try to see Europe as individual countries, with individual agenda's and their own opinions.

You call his post "propoganda about nothing" yet furnish a link lending it credibility? He also didn't add any of his own commentary on it (other than the initial post) so how is it starting a debate? He does the same with jokes and you don't get up in arms about those.

I agree with you about the countries being seen to have their own opinions. I take it you don't care for the EU?

Dutchie
November 24th, 2005, 02:47
Maybe I totally misunderstand the point of posting the article.

Is it a joke because it is posted in the "fun" section?

Is it to show us "Europeans" that the US is not all that bad?

Is it to show that we are not allowed to have opinions or should follow someone's lead because of the "muslims axis of evil"?

The article is nothing but a bunch of one liners. Simple. It doesnt add anything.

-=DoW=- JBDiamonds
November 24th, 2005, 13:23
Dutchie:

I think you really are confused. I would like to think that you did misunderstand my posting. The R & R section is not just a "fun" section. It is for articles and other information or strange occurrances people would like to share other than jokes and humor.

The reason that I posted this excerpt was for informational purposes; and to share a European man's opinion. His article made me feel good. It made me feel good that finally one of Europe's major newspaper editors has had the courage to confront the timid responses of certain European countries to this latest onslaught of the islamic invasion.

I did not see anything written in his article that I believe was not true. Did you? It's one man's opinion and he is certainly entitled to it. Some will agree with him and some will not. I happen to agree with him. I believe he is right on target with his opinion of the way things have been handled in the past and now the present.

If you agree, fine. If you don't, that's fine also. What I object to strongly is your telling me not to post this "nothingness". As for it it not being debateable, what are we doing right now? You can call it a "nothing" post, obviously I didn't. It has made me feel really good that some European's can look at things the way they are and have the courage to call them as they see them.........

Tatmtt2120
November 24th, 2005, 14:07
Right on JB, I agree with you completely

Dutchie
November 24th, 2005, 15:10
I cannot debate the info in the post as they are all one liners.

I can only debate one single issue.

This guy (and most other people, like my self, often) strays from the subject. The subject being: Europe, thy name is Cowardice.

He comes up with things that do not relate to this subject directly.

Example; We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery.

I can take up probably one hundred linked issues out of this one liner and it does not relate to the subject.