Darkfall Online

[Phineus]

If you haven’t heard of it I suggest you go and check it out at: www.darkfallonline.com

Darkfall Online is about the only hope for a "GOOD" player vs player mmorpg in the near future, the game has been in development for a while and will hopefully hit beta/release with in the next month or two. The PvP is much like that of Ultima Online where the players are free to do almost anything they desire to do. If you're into mmorpg's and like to kill other people I strongly suggest you check this game out.

If you visit the Darkfall forums you may notice my name every once in a while. That's because I'm a member of the Darkfall community staff, a position that I'm more than proud of. <3^_^<3

[Phineus]

Anyone checked out the game yet? you WoW players who are stuck playing a sub standard garbage game with fake pvp?

[-=DoW=- SmokieRat]

And yet there's 5 million WoW subscribers. How many you got? :)

[Phineus]

I'm pretty sure there are at least 5 million carebears in the world.

[Phineus]

Hmmm It looks like I'm not going to win over any converts which is a bit disapointing but oh well ^_^

[Warcuddle]

lol i like MMORPG's and i am going to download that game if its out...
I self play Guild wars andi'm planning to buy WoW.

[Phineus]

Don't play WoW It's a trap!!

[-=DoW=- GOPfan]

It may be a trap but its sure is alot of fun!! Isn't that why we are all here?? :D lol

[Phineus]

It's a vicious trap! Blizzard is trying to trick you into thinking wow has pvp! It's a Carebear Conspiracy!!!

[-=DoW=- SmokieRat]

And yet it's not the PVP that keeps me coming back ;)

[Phineus]

...then why in gods name are you playing wow?

[-=DoW=- SmokieRat]

The quests, the story, the friends, the graphics, the music, the over a year of enjoyment I've been getting out of this game. PVP isn't everything, while I have pvped with a few of my characters it doesn't make or break a game for me. Plus, if some a$$hat feels the need to grief me on a totally pvp game I can't make'em stop, pardon my Texan ;). In WoW I can choose whether I want to pvp or not.

[Phineus]

You make me cry smokie! pvp is everything ^_^

[-=DoW=- SmokieRat]

Sorry, the only pvp I prefer is in FPS games ;)

[Warcuddle]

play GW it has its own PvP maps and Own PvP charrs...
Its awesome

[Phineus]

gw is sucky ='(

[Phineus]

A Darkfall Gameplay Video. I'm actually at a loss for words with this and to be honest thats a first for me.


http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?p=404484#post404484

[Warcuddle]

TO be fair... The Graphics are bad!!!

[Acedeal]

Graphics are a little lame in WOW compared to EQII :)

I came across this and thought it was an interesting read...

This guide is not a guide where I flame WOW, nor is it a guide where I point out how EQ2 is better than WOW, I played WOW since inception, switched about 6 weeks ago to EQ2, and only about the last 2 weeks feel ive graduated to non newbie rank, maybe apprentice at best.



As a brief background, in both WOW and EQ2 I solo a lot, enjoy taking on multiple Mobs, always play healers and hate dying, I have been a GM in WOW 100+ active guild and have been involved in a guild in EQ2 to assess the differences.

Death – although I hated dying in WOW unless you where generally instanced it didn’t matter, dying in EQ2 hurts, it slows leveling and you get an experience debt you have to make up before resuming leveling.

Aggro and Chase Range – In WOW if you aggro’d something and bit off more than you could chew, you just turn and run, there were always countless roads or safe running paths (unless you were in a cave or instance) and unless you were being chased by a +5 level gold epic you would 99% of the time get away, in EQ2 same level mob, linked mobs will chase, and chase, and chase, early on I found I died a number of times by just thinking id outrun them and turn around and there they are in pursuit, my sprint burnt and therefore power/mana gone and then me = dead.

If something is Grey – in WOW you can go within 1 meter of it and it wont aggro, but pass through it and it will, in EQ2 anything grey will not agro unless you aggro it, also, if you are grouped with someone lower the mob becomes grey to them also.

Mob Difficulty - Mobs are way harder in EQ2, this is another one of my learn by mistakes areas and cost me a number of deaths early on in EQ2, in WOW as Paladin/Priest/Shaman (all 60) I could take on ANY same level non epic mob and most non instanced Epics, I could also take on 3-5 same level mobs and sometimes 5 level higher mobs depending on circumstances, in EQ2 forget its is much more in-depth, ill explain:

WOW had level, then epics (silver and gold) and there were dramatic inconsistencies in these, meaning 1 Level 40 elite could we way harder sometimes than a L45 elite elsewhere, in EQ2 its much more in-depth, take a L40 for example, they could be 40 ---, meaning L40 with 3 arrows down, if you are L40 you would easily destroy this, and a L40 with 3 down arrows is way easier than a 38 even level, these range from 3 arrows down to 3 arrows up then epic encounters, any up is heroic (WOW epic equivalents) so a +++ with Epic is like many instance epics in WOW, and yet they are often in grouped encounters outdoors, and many of them in the area.

Early on in the game I was silly and pulled +++ mobs of same level and basically got owned, where as in WOW early on I was easily soling Epics, especially as a Paladin

Pulling in EQ doesn’t really matter – in WOW mobs seem to stick to an area, a few wander and their aggro is generally linked to the mobs near them, so if you do a bad pull and one mob is near another when you attacked you could have 1, 2 or even 10 mobs aggro’ing you, in EQ2, unless the mobs are linked you can have 2 same type mobs right next to each other, attack one and the other will ignore you, this can be good or bad, it can be good for soloing, but also bad when the mob may have infact been linked, but because 3 of the 4 you just pulled in the encounter were around the corner you don’t realize until you are swarmed, and because of longer chase range as discussed earlier, and if one of the mobs turns our Heroic or epic it can turn into a grave mistake.

Leveling – in WOW, when I got my Paladin to L60 and got bored of being GM and constant raid runs for epic loot, I switched and tried a Priest, in a few weeks L60 quite easy, then thought lets try horde, Shaman in record time to 60, so in WOW to me it seemed often like 1-59 was learning the class and just preparing you for L60 where 60’s were a dime a dozen, and it was then all about PVP or Raids, in EQ2 every level you find people going gratz, and they actually mean it, getting from L39-40, or even 19-20 in EQ2 is an achievement, and it is much slower but also feels more rewarding, and the % of 60s you see is far less, I remember early 2005 in WOW where people looked at me and said “wow L60” but late 2005 it seemed that there were more 60s in IF or Org than not generally.

Tradeskilling – Tradeskilling in WOW is to say the least pretty basic, it is fun while you are leveling but once you hit L60 you are generally running raids for recipe drops that nobody will buy, this is coming from a 300 Armorsmith, Tailor, Enchanter, Engineer and Leatherworker across 3 toons, and once you hit 300 you can make money usually off 1 or 2 items and because of gold farmers and blizzard constantly nerfing things like IV Mail, Heartseeker etc and the materials needed trades people rarely come out in front in the long run….. where as EQ2 tradeskilling requires patience, time, dedication, skill and you are rewarded via selling your crafted items at the market. Also, in EQ2 you can choose to almost disregard adventure leveling and focus on being a artisan, in WOW you cant do this.

Gear / Binding – In WOW half the problem with runs is ninja looters and people picking up Bind on Pick up items, in EQ2 items need to be attunded and much of the good stuff is crafted anyway so you aren’t forced to join groups to get the best gear (or at least you can get comparable stuff) as you can buy it on the market, get it crafted etc.

Guilds – WOW’s guild management interface is extremely basic, and it requires far more work by a GM to be a functioning guild and most good guilds in WOW have many people sharing workload and constant updates via guild websites etc, EQ2 has most of this functionality built in, guild status point, guild banks, set access levels, and easy UI with transparency as to all these functions

PVP – I must admit I loved WOW’s PVP but hated the way that people were rewarded for it, but the PVP mechanics just as I left were getting quite good, it didn’t have the ease of access that say a Guild Wars did but I much preferred the mechanics of combat over Guild Wars, EQ2 on the other hand, after hitting level 40 after nearly 6 weeks of play, I have seen 2 people having a duel, and one person when I was about L10 randomly challenged me to a “duel to the death”, PVP seems fairly new in EQ2, I cannot comment other than to say it generally isn’t done, I may be wrong but that’s what ive seen, regardless of this I have been speccing my current toon for high end PVP, for when EQ2 matures and PVP becomes more prevalent.

In summary - these are only my findings, as mentioned earlier I still feel like and EQ2 apprentice but was a WOW Veteran and now converted EQ2 lover, not because its “better” but more because its what im seeking now challenge wise.

WOW is somewhat more of an easily accessible world, game mechanics and learning curve wise, and it seems to attract many “hack and slash” types for this reason (along with the PVP) but its simple mechanics are quite polished and mastering them is not as easy as they appear, EQ2 on the other hand is a game where the journey to the level cap is much, much more tedious, you have many more choices and for some too many, but once you get your head around the more in-depth mechanics and immerse yourself an equally rewarding and for me a much more challenging solo PVE experience

Tyvian (Warden on Runnyeye Server)

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Velvie
Aka Meggilie


http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=354898105

Play EQII for free
http://www.trialoftheisle.com/en/

[-=DoW=- Boomer]

Phineus

Wot you like m8 you change your games like you change your under skids
I thought that the last game you posted about in here was better than sliced bread...

[Acedeal]

http://everquest2.station.sony.com//promotions/trialoftheisle/site_images/en/screenshots/beyondtheisle/EQ2_000026.jpg

what I like about the new graphics engine-
when it rains, rain actually falls from the sky, and it makes the paths, stones, etc all wet..just like real rain.
Trees, bushes etc move with the wind.
Even the grass parts and moves as you walk through it-

http://everquest2.station.sony.com//promotions/trialoftheisle/site_images/en/screenshots/beyondtheisle/oakmyst_forest1.jpg

[Phineus]

Too bad EQ2 is all instances and seriously sucks. I can say this because I've played the game I’ve got friends who have and still play. Hell I started playing the original Everquest when it first came out and that game/product line has been on a downward slope from the day Verant sold the company to SoE.

On the note of Darkfall, first the graphics are just fine, darkfall graphics are designed to be more realistic and "gritty" not that cartoonish crap you see in wow and to some extent in Everquest 2. The Devil is in the Details as they say. Secondly to respond to boomer, I've been following this game for a little over two years now and I’ve yet to change focus to anything else. This is still the exact same game I was speaking about a while back, and yes it's still better than sliced bread. Darkfall is more about the design and gameplay than the graphics, graphics don’t make the game. While I realize there is a some what large group of gamers out there who cant play a game unless its "pretty" the truth of the matter is that they're not the target audience for Darkfall. Darkfall appeals to pvp'ers through and through, the Darkfall world is designed to give players every freedom that other games deny you.

In closing I'd like to state that I see more promise in Darkfall than I do in any of the games that are currently on the market and there are very few games on the horizon that can even dream to match Darkfall in concept or design. And I can say all of this with a strong will and a pure heart with out ever having had played the game.

If you don’t like Darkfall that’s fine, it's your choice I posted these links to give you fellows a glimpse at the game. I've done this for just about all the friends I've got and this has been the first negative reaction to Darkfall thus far.


I look forward to your replies.

[Acedeal]

I will say this Phineus-
Your the only one in this entire thread that has had any negitive comments.
Of every other game that was posted, you basic comments were it sucks--


If you don’t like Darkfall that’s fine, it's your choice I posted these links to give you fellows a glimpse at the game. I've done this for just about all the friends I've got and this has been the first negative reaction to Darkfall thus far.


Anyone checked out the game yet? you WoW players who are stuck playing a sub standard garbage game with fake pvp?



I'm pretty sure there are at least 5 million carebears in the world.



It's a vicious trap! Blizzard is trying to trick you into thinking wow has pvp! It's a Carebear Conspiracy!!!



...then why in gods name are you playing wow?


gw is sucky ='(



Too bad EQ2 is all instances and seriously sucks



Does it matter to me you opinion on what game sucks or does not suck..nope not in the least.

Does it matter to me that just because your pretty much calling everyone else a loser becuase we are not hopping up and down over you post about XYZ game of the day-- Yea it does..

I was on the eq beta team, long before prolly even heard of the game.. I still have 6 active accounts in EQ original version (with 10 expansion packs)..
I could really give a rat's butt whether you like EQ2 or not.. You need to take a step back their cheif and take it down a notch..

99.0% of the people here don't really give a red rat's behind about PVP.. If they did they would be playing Dark Ages of Camelot ---
And don't really like seeing it said that if we don't like the game your playing that we suck, or the game we are playing sucks..
You don't like it --move on --

Now,
Have a great game day-

[Phineus]

Well where to begin

I was on the eq beta team, long before prolly even heard of the game.. I still have 6 active accounts in EQ original version (with 10 expansion packs)..

I'm sorry you had 6 accounts that’s almost sad in a way, also what’s with the E-peen esque comparison to your having been in the beta team?

99.0% of the people here don't really give a red rat's behind about PVP.. If they did they would be playing Dark Ages of Camelot ---

DAoC isnt exactly a good example of a pvp game, it dosent even have true pvp except for on a few select servers. RvR is not pvp, it's RvR and in its self is inferior to open pvp.



There’s not really any point in getting into an argument about things, I guess my assumptions that a bunch of fps gamers would be interested in pvp was misplaced. I just never expected a bunch of guys who like to frag people to be carebears. And honestly I don’t really need to go into the multitude of ways that Everquest 2 sucks; you could simply say one thing. In classic SoE style the game wasn’t even finished when it came out. Heck and to buy time they had to make the level grind worse just to keep people out of the areas they hadn’t finished. I'm not really sure why they didn’t expect people to be in the 50's within the first days/week the game was released, if Everquest players have exhibited one thing from the inception of the game its that they have absolutely no lives. Heck some of my friends are those very people, and wouldn’t you know it I used to be one of those people. While I've never gone into the fanatical insanity of having 6 accounts I've played my fair share of Everquest/Everquest 2.

I guess I'm meeting with opposition because some people are still stuck back in the dark ages whilst I've moved on to better things and preach the word of pvp. "I fear change and shall stick with my bushes"


In closing I'd like to mention that perhaps you should be a little more tollerant of people who have opinions that are different from yours.



You don't like it --move on --

[Acedeal]

In closing I'd like to mention that perhaps you should be a little more tollerant of people who have opinions that are different from yours.

:)
funny coming from the guy that had not one good thing to say about others opinion when it differed from yours eg, that sucks, this sucks, carebears , etc etc...


Hell I started playing the original Everquest when it first came out and that game/product line has been on a downward slope from the day Verant sold the company to SoE.

My mention of eq beta was in passing, as you seemed to have mentioned that you played it since inception and that your snide/innuedo was "you know more then most"..

I have 6 accounts because I can afford to keep them for years and years and not even play it :) + many accounts in DAoC, and WoW.. I now even have accounts in eq2..Why, cause I can afford it-- :)
Did I create those toons, nope took them off the hands of people like you that quit the game..

I will say this in closing, keep up the snide little comments / innuendos towards me and others I'll be showing you the door---which may be here in a bit-

[Phineus]

My opinions offered in converse of others has nothing to do with put downs ect.


*Edit*

I'm not exactly concerned with your threats Ace, do what you wish its your group your unit so on and so forth.

[-=DoW=- resqman]

Phineus, maybe you need to be a litle more tolerant of other peoples views. You have nothing but negatives and derogatives to anything people play that you don't like.

We all play our own games, encourage each in their games.

That is what this community is all about!!!!

[Phineus]

Hey, I'm not saying people can’t enjoy other games I'm just trying to show them something else and I've met with nothing but opposition.

[-=DoW=- resqman]

Have just seen your post, then goodbye then

[-=DoW=- resqman]

and you have offered nothing but opposition

[-=DoW=- Allessir]

Phineus. Just so you know. I've been in DoW for well over 3 years. A better bunch of friends that I've never seen in my life could I have asked for. None of them try to make me play a game I have no wish to. Nor have I ever been told that the games I decide to play "suck" in someone else opinion. I'm sure there are game your computer can play that mine can't. Stuff like Aces over the Pacific as it won't run in a DOS shell. You play your games. I'll play mine. If you don't like what I play. Then be quiet. Cuz I don't really care what you think I should play. If you like a game, fine, you like it. let us know about it. But don't get all judgemental on the rest of us becuase we don't like that same types of games.

[-=DoW=- resqman]

Remove the tag from your AAO name

[Acedeal]

Your wish is my command-
Please remove your -=DoW=- tags, ie leave them at the door on your way out.
Do not show up on any -=DoW=- resource wearing said tags, or you will be banned.

Have a great Game Day!--