To the attention of Acedeal...

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

Ok, i've been on a few dow servers in my time, today i was playing in DOW II on Bridge. I was playing with a clan mate (Uk_Johnboysid). The reason for this post is to tell you about misconduct of a admin/player. DOW FLANIK is the member im talking about. Im appalled from what i heard. When i played with him in the first few games, he said that he did not like smoke. Ok, fair do's. But after i left UK_Johnboysid played on. He along with another player was shot by Flanik (all were on assault). The reason, pretty simply because Flanik said "The next person to throw smoke i'll shoot". The rules specify 1 smoke per assaulter(although this site says 1 per assault), when admin state the rules it said "assaulter" not assault. This could be confusing for other players. They both smoked, so they were shot. UK_Johnboysid was appalled and did the only thing any respective AA player could do...start a votekick. Ok, not one of the best things to do, i admit that. Flanik left and signed in as admin. Uk_Johnboysid paniced and left, for he did not want to be banned. He did not breach the rules, he did not violate ROE, it was simply a unfair act and advantage of power. If you were to kick him, why not kick him instead of shooting both players? I hope you look at this in the seriousness it deserves. DOW have been described one of the best, but one of the strictess. I find that this act puts dark smoke over a otherwise well organised, experienced and good clan. Please look into this smoke per assault rule, as it should be more clearly stated when actually on the server.

UK_Darkside

[Hari Seldon]

I was playing this server when both players were removed. Both players were rushing on assault. The non-Uk_Johnboy player (cannot recall name) was throwing multiple smokes. Both players were disrespectful of admin (Flanik.) Players were warned regarding the server rules, and were directed by me to the website for details if a refresher was needed. Prior to the kicking both players issued a stream of expletives.

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

John is not actually online now, so i can't ask him. But he clearly said he threw one smoke. As for the swearing, if it was johnboysid it was either very very light, or british.

[Ev!L]

Thanks for backing me up Hari. I had warned everyone about smoke (1 smoke for assault only) When I saw someone throw 3 ( not a UK guy) I shot him yes because I do nothing but come in and go out of the game to renforce the rules and I got sick of it already. They where warned for rushing (1st min and thier at def tower=B***S**t) WE ARE THERE FOR LONG RANGE SNIPING, NOT RUN UP AND DANCE IN CIRCLES SHOTING LIKE IDIOTS! So that is why they were both shot. Then Mr UK initiates a vote kick on me then leaves the server. And thats enough to be banned.

[Tatmtt2120]

I have a big problem with some of the ways admins interpret the rules and how they add their own ideas to them. Nowhere in the rules is there a stated time assault must stay back or any time limit what so ever. I have played on our servers using my DoW tag and other times under a different name and have seen admins state a 4-min waiting period. While playing under a different name, I have even asked what the rules are and was told a time limit is in place. Please show me where this is stated in the rules as I do no see it. Rushing by assault to me is, the assault player running up to the center arch, running past it without stopping and proceeding to the defensive side. Assault has every right to run up to the center arch immediately, either by running straight up the street or along catwalks, but they must stop there and only proceed when they believe its safe to do so.

I play under a different name sometimes to see how players act when a player with a DoW tag is not present. Watch to see who cheats, uses illegal cheats, etc. as well as watch other DoW players interact with others.

We need to be fair and follow the rules as they are written not as they are perceived.

[Ev!L]

http://www.dow-sniper.net/forum/rules.php

Quotes from DoW server rules

3. No teamkilling. The only exception is if there is a team member violating these rules. If you have to make such a kill, please ensure that your victim is thoroughly informed of the rule violation they committed afterwards, and also alert the admin on duty if there is one. If you make an accidental teamkill, please apologize promptly. Don't forget to use Global chat to do so.

I did, Itold them after.

6. Please refrain from Close-Quarters-Combat. Although we know that some CQC encounters are virtually inevitable, our primary purpose here is to snipe. Attempt to take out targets at maximum range whenever possible.

I know exact time limit is not here but to me this says "no rushing'".

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[-=DoW=- The Fan]

I had a couple of incidents yesterday, playing on II. At first there was me (knowing the rules, I think) and a bunch of guys who didn`t give a monkeys about what I was saying. I DO have a key bound to represent the rules in a very short manner (Snipers, 1 sg, not past 3rd pillar), and they kept on ignoring, and carrying on. One thing to that then. How do i call an admin without having to leave the server, and hoping to get back on.
Secondly, I had an incident a little later which cost me about 240 ROE, coz he decided to run past 3rd pillar, and I shot him, coz I thought he was E (yeah, I was on DEF).

It is annoying sometimes to see people come on the server who haven`t got a clue what they are doing (regarding the rules). I`m gonna bind another couple of keys with website links, forum links, etc etc., coz it really does annoy. Sometimes I cant act quick enough to support the Server and the rules, and get poeple to play right.

Anyways, enough of that. I played well yesterday, looking forward to the response.

The Fan

[-=DoW=- Dsotm]

This is strange. I know that I have seen a section of the rules forbidding rushing and discussing the definition of sniping - but now I cannot find it.

I do feel that if people are going to run through the arch and up to def tower and start running around CQC'ing then they are not here to snipe or use sniper rifles properly (which do not work for CQC as you have to bring a scope up on all our weapons) At any point that def see a player doing this they should all switch to SAW's and blow the living c**p out of the the offending player.

[-=DoW=- The Fan]

LOL, what about mentioning in the rules, that DEF have to go beyond the 2 to last piller beofre Tower, and that no ASS. goes beyond the last pillar before def tower? That would stop this CQCing, but maybe it would make games longer. After all, as dsotm said, snipers dont CQC with a rifle, it doesn`t work LOL

The Fan

[Acedeal]

There was a long discussion on the 4 min. I may have moved it to an old section.

The topic was about if you are on assault, and are at the defense car within the first 4 mins of the game, that constitutes Rushing. No where was there any rules about assaulters rushing up to the arch.. It mainly dealt with what happens past the Arch.

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

So whats going to happen. To be fair, i think flanik abused admin powers, but that aint my place to decide. If he didnt i suggest that a rushing rule be introduced along with clarity that it is 1 smoke per assault not assaulter. This can confuse people as they think it is 1 smoker per assaulter.

[-=DoW=- MauryMac]

i suggest that a rushing rule be introduced along with clarity that it is 1 smoke per assault not assaulter. This can confuse people as they think it is 1 smoker per assaulter.

I don't see the confusion. What is the difference between Assault and Assaulter? Do you mean that if there are 6 people on assault, one person can throw 4 and 1 can throw 2? If someone is confused, they should ask for clarification :2cents:

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

i suggest that a rushing rule be introduced along with clarity that it is 1 smoke per assault not assaulter. This can confuse people as they think it is 1 smoker per assaulter.

I don't see the confusion. What is the difference between Assault and Assaulter? Do you mean that if there are 6 people on assault, one person can throw 4 and 1 can throw 2? If someone is confused, they should ask for clarification :2cents:

No, you've taken it out of context. I've been playing on DOW for about 2 months, and until last night, i didnt even know it was one smoke per assault team. Trust me when i say, i and a lot of others have been under the impression that you start of with 3 smoke nades, and can only use one. Meaning that if there were 6 players, each could use one smoke nade. When people use 2 or more, that is blantantly breaking the rules. But i suggest the powers that be have a look into Flaniks current way to deal with situations like this, as we think that he is abusing the power that he has been trusted with. Ok, i know your not exactly gonna take huge note in what i have to say as i am a newbie, but he is defiently spoiling the good name that you've worked hard to get. We havent got cents over here in Uk, so thats my 2 pence! :2cents:

[Acedeal]

I think the confussion lies with the word assaulter...a defender could be called the assaulter if he is rushing..But now we are just getting into symantics..
Everyone with the least bit of common sense knows that the assualt side = the assaulters..

There are 2 places where the rules are defined.. one of them has a couple mistakes, but that's not a big deal..

http://www.dow-sniper.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=104
and
http://www.dow-sniper.net/forum/rules.php


Ok,
so to clear up any Confussion;
Assault = The Assaulters
Defense = The Defenders..

hope we are all clear now on the nomenclature.. (look it up) :mrgreen:

[Hari Seldon]

To clarify further, every member of the assault team can use one and only one smoke. If they throw it over the cliff or on top of the arch, too bad, that is the only one they get.

[Tatmtt2120]

There was a long discussion on the 4 min. I may have moved it to an old section.

The topic was about if you are on assault, and are at the defense car within the first 4 mins of the game, that constitutes Rushing. No where was there any rules about assaulters rushing up to the arch.. It mainly dealt with what happens past the Arch.

Ace, thank you, this is exactly what I was talking about. Currently there aren't any rules about a TIME LIMIT. My problem is, some admins are adding a time limit when there isn't one. Assault can run straight to the arch but not straight to the defensive side anytime they want to. There isn't a time limit making them stay back until 4 mins are up before they go to the center arch. We need to make sure the admins are telling people the correct rules AS they are written NOT interpreted.

As for the smoke rules, I think its pretty simple, each player on assault gets ONE smoke. If there are 4 players on assault then 4 smokes can be thrown, but only one per person.

[DanishSnipe]

Before coming to DoW servers..Go check the rule for that map,and then come sniping.That way there will be no confusion about our rules...Leave..Learn and Return :mrgreen:

[DanishSnipe]

I know we had a time limit from start to def tower.It was within the 4 first minutes,you cant assault rushing to def tower...Thats why we inlisted that rule :mrgreen:

[argnt21]

We tried the time limit thing, but everyone was having a cow about it and ace dissovled that rule. I disagree with tat because a lot of what an admin does is a judgement call. Also I couldn't point you to the posts and I don't know if they even exist anymore, but it was stated that the 4 min rule was no more and that it would be a judgement call by the admin as to whether it was rushing or not. I could be wrong of course, but I do not allow players on assault to rush. My thoughts on it is if they are running up without checking all possible concealment spots, or if they run up the ledge with the purpose of getting behind the defense then it is rushing. that is my :2cents:

[Tatmtt2120]

So what you are saying is assault must go up the street and make sure there aren't any defensive players around but cannot use the catwalks to get to the center arch because they have to clear the area first.

At the beginning of every round DoW players run immediately to the center arch by way of the catwalks. Are they rushing? No as long as they stop at the arch AND DO NOT CONTINUE TO THE DEFENSIVE SIDE WITHOUT TAKING THE TIME TO CLEAR THE AREA OF DEFENSIVE PLAYERS.

[-=DoW=- Deze]

I dont get it!! All this, because an admin took the control and "cleaned" out!? :roll:
He (flanik) was the admin, and if he decided that it was time to put an end to all the "cheating" (throwing multiple smokes), then he was in his good rights. The admin is the one who has to decide when enough is enough, and if he see any person throw more than one smoke, or cheat in any other way, then he has to stop him. And so he did!

And since there is no written rule about rushing, it is up to the admin, and the admin alone, to decide if players are rushing or not.

And it actually doesnt matter, in wich language (very british) or in wich form (very light) you are swearing.
Swearing and bad language is simply not allowed on the DoW servers!

If the DoW admins wasnt as strict as they are, the DoW servers wouldnt be as "clean" as they are!

[Ev!L]

Thank you Deze.

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

I dont get it!! All this, because an admin took the control and "cleaned" out!? :roll:
He (flanik) was the admin, and if he decided that it was time to put an end to all the "cheating" (throwing multiple smokes), then he was in his good rights. The admin is the one who has to decide when enough is enough, and if he see any person throw more than one smoke, or cheat in any other way, then he has to stop him. And so he did!

And since there is no written rule about rushing, it is up to the admin, and the admin alone, to decide if players are rushing or not.

And it actually doesnt matter, in wich language (very british) or in wich form (very light) you are swearing.
Swearing and bad language is simply not allowed on the DoW servers!

If the DoW admins wasnt as strict as they are, the DoW servers wouldnt be as "clean" as they are!

Its not a matter of admin taking control. Its a matter of admin abusing powers. I always thought that your servers were on of the best for sniping, but yet it annoys me so much that one person abuses his power. HE WAS NOT ADMIN WHEN THE INCIDENT HAPPENED. I'l say someting else in bold as well: HE TOLD US THAT HE HATES SMOKE!!! So am i not right to think that Uk_Johnboysid WAS playing by the rules, using ONE smoke nade. But yet, oh no....Flanik doesn't like smoke. So i'l just shoot him in the back, go onto admin and kick him. CLEAR ABUSE OF POWER. But....wait a sec, maybe he rushed. But then again there are NO rules of this, so flanik can't pick of anyone because his team mates are getting all the kills. I'm not asking for him to be punished or anything, just to let you know, and to let it be reconised that he abuses admin power. I would strongly suggest you look into keeping him as a admin though, as i, nor anyone that knows Team UK will be 100% with using the server. You'll probably say, "Fine dont use it then", but this will probably happen again, if it hasnt happened before already. Least im telling you the feelings of a very annoyed player.

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

Thanks for backing me up Hari. I had warned everyone about smoke (1 smoke for assault only) When I saw someone throw 3 ( not a UK guy) I shot him yes because I do nothing but come in and go out of the game to renforce the rules and I got sick of it already. They where warned for rushing (1st min and thier at def tower=B***S**t) WE ARE THERE FOR LONG RANGE SNIPING, NOT RUN UP AND DANCE IN CIRCLES SHOTING LIKE IDIOTS! So that is why they were both shot. Then Mr UK initiates a vote kick on me then leaves the server. And thats enough to be banned.

Just thought id but this up as well, so if he alters his post to go along with his new story, he wouldnt get away with it.

[Acedeal]

Spawn_Of_Darkside,
No, you've taken it out of context. I've been playing on DOW for about 2 months, and until last night, i didnt even know it was one smoke per assault team.


It's not one smoke per team....It's one smoke per team member that's on assault.
or read this way....
Or 1 smoke per assaulter (Assaulter = the persons on Assault Team)
or
You can only toss 1 ONE smoke, per person on the assualt side.

or
Each person on the assault side can only toss one smoke each..

Shall I go on, or are you clear on this..

Also, admins are not there to explain the exact rules to you..That's the reason the server name has the address in the title. (if the admins sat there and explained all but the basic Rules, then they would be having discussions like this in the game chat.. That's the reason they have hot keys, that just state the simplistic set of rules).

If one can not be bothered to find out what the rules of the -=DoW=- servers before entering, then they have to face the music if you break those rules, whether they know the rules are not is beside the point...
ignorance is not a valid excuse when it comes to our rules.

You stated that you have played on the dow servers for 2 months, and did not know the rules..Guess your friends found out the hard way, like the 2600 other people that have been perm banned..

[Edit] to change some tense..

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

Fair enough.

[Mr.Risk]

I adore your patience Acedeal!
To you Spawn_Of_Darkside, stop your spam.
If I shall see you in our servers, you will not do even 1 step, cause my large and long "bullet" will tear your small :rumpe:
You welcome now :banankuk:
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http://aa.4players.de/tracker/trackersig.php?userid=7764
[A Good sniper will always wait for a Good enemy]

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

Wow. Some people are just funny. Tradgically Risk, you fall very short of that mark. I ain't spamming, im telling you what happened. The RUSH thing should be sorted out. Risk aint you meant to be over 18, my 12 sis acts more mature than you. :lol:

[Mr.Risk]

Listen boy, it's so easy to understand, what was your point, when you opened this topic.You just being so scared to be kicked/banned in future. I see, you got a luck at this time , be quiet now and learn the rules.Good luck, I'll be there :wink:
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http://aa.4players.de/tracker/trackersig.php?userid=7764
[A Good sniper will always wait for a Good enemy]

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

You expected me to come in, cause hell and bitch and scream about what happened? I was tempted, no lie, but i aint a 13 teen ticking time bomb. I just wanted to be a adult and tell you what went down. As for the banning thing, probably would happen anyway, not to fussed to be honest.

[-=DoW=- Dsotm]

Nick (spawn), perhaps I could shed some light on the current situation on our servers.

1. Our new servers are leased and as such we cannot yet impose the patch we developed that spawns players with sniper rifles only and prevents the the use of all other cheats and weapons.

2. Until GoAmericasarmy (the server leasing company) fix the current problem with the banlist, we get the same lamers, idiots, cheaters, and rule violators coming back day after day to frustate our efforts at providing an enjoyable game.

3. Many members of this clan contribute money to pay for these servers and as such deserve to be able to play without hassle. (also why you will see admins ask non-members to leave and make way for waiting DoW members - if no one volunteers he will kick someone)

The last six weeks have become very frustrating from a game play point of view. Admins who want to play are having to leave the game every 2-3 mins to explain rules or kick people who ignore screen messages regarding server rules. This is a 24/7 situation. It has reached the point where many members, admins included (me2) will warn a player once on screen then Tk him for a repeat offence, rather than continually jump in and out of a game.

Is it fair? Not really. But many people in this clan freely donate $1000's of time every month in its support and growth, so why should they be the ones to suffer the bad gameplay and ignorance of others?

The current situation is simple, and has been forced upon us by the factors outlined above - rule violators will be warned once then kicked by an admin. If no admin is available you run the risk of being Tk'ed by a member, or voted out. But remember, if either of the last two occur, you will have done something to bring it on, and should try to find out what.

A simple reading of the rules prevents the above, and if you need any help in game DoW members are always willing to help, or tell you where to get it.

If you can live with this, you will enjoy great gaming on our servers, especially once the technical problems are fixed. If you can't, I'm sorry for your inconveniece and wish you good gaming elsewhere.

Regards

[Nooj]

about smoke
you said I'l say someting else in bold as well: HE TOLD US THAT HE HATES SMOKE!!! true i was there!! we have a poll about the smoke n the forum heres what he said I hear more people complain about smoke than any other thing on the bridge and getting rid of it would make it simple.
I hate smoke!!!! wait that was only flanik here are some other I think the smokes should stay. They can be a useful tool. True some nobs have misused them but as a whole, I think it is an item that should stay on our servers.---I find the use of smoke on the bridge really irritating and I know I am not alone on this. If I'm on assault it hides the def players and when it clears I nearly always get shot because its closer to me than to the def side. Can we have a poll and vote on this?
we did have a poll the result 17 peps hate,dont use smoke and 9 peps somke or dont care that ppl smoke

another NEVER MISS A GOOD CHANCE TO SHUT UP. sometime its better to do so and live with the consequences but personnaly ill say i like play with u guys its a good challenge to play against you . so please can we end this subject fast!!

(btw sorry for the language.. i mean the sh**t up!)

[argnt21]

tat I think we are agreeing with each other, as far as I'm concerned there is no such thing as rushing until a player has reached the middle arch. I personally don't have a problem with players using the catwalks at any time as long as they don't run down the defensive side catwalks with the intention of getting behind defense. however what i see most often that I do consider rushing is they will run up to the middle arch, throw a smoke on the defense side run up hop over the ledge run up the catwalks get behind the defense and shoot them in the back. I do not allow this, or they will sprint up the middle or catwalk so they can go through the tunnel and get in the tower, this also usually results in cqc. I hope this is a more clear representation of what I was trying to say.

[-=DoW=- Allessir]

I think this needs to be calmed down some. It's already starting to degenerate into a shouting match. From what I've read the issues have been or are being looked into on all points. Perhaps it's time to lock this board before the verbage gets outta hand on both sides.

[Tatmtt2120]

Argnt21, that is exactly what I am saying. If assault does what you described then they are rushing, but if they stop at the arch and go no further then they are not.

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

Nick (spawn), perhaps I could shed some light on the current situation on our servers.

1. Our new servers are leased and as such we cannot yet impose the patch we developed that spawns players with sniper rifles only and prevents the the use of all other cheats and weapons.

2. Until GoAmericasarmy (the server leasing company) fix the current problem with the banlist, we get the same lamers, idiots, cheaters, and rule violators coming back day after day to frustate our efforts at providing an enjoyable game.

3. Many members of this clan contribute money to pay for these servers and as such deserve to be able to play without hassle. (also why you will see admins ask non-members to leave and make way for waiting DoW members - if no one volunteers he will kick someone)

The last six weeks have become very frustrating from a game play point of view. Admins who want to play are having to leave the game every 2-3 mins to explain rules or kick people who ignore screen messages regarding server rules. This is a 24/7 situation. It has reached the point where many members, admins included (me2) will warn a player once on screen then Tk him for a repeat offence, rather than continually jump in and out of a game.

Is it fair? Not really. But many people in this clan freely donate $1000's of time every month in its support and growth, so why should they be the ones to suffer the bad gameplay and ignorance of others?

The current situation is simple, and has been forced upon us by the factors outlined above - rule violators will be warned once then kicked by an admin. If no admin is available you run the risk of being Tk'ed by a member, or voted out. But remember, if either of the last two occur, you will have done something to bring it on, and should try to find out what.

A simple reading of the rules prevents the above, and if you need any help in game DoW members are always willing to help, or tell you where to get it.

If you can live with this, you will enjoy great gaming on our servers, especially once the technical problems are fixed. If you can't, I'm sorry for your inconveniece and wish you good gaming elsewhere.

Regards

TOP BLOKE!!! :)

[ncarda]

I'm for admin discretion on what is and isn't rushing.

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

Like this issue is sooooo Last week.

[Dutchie]

nice discussion... what is the outcome?

Final say is with the admin? or are the rules going to be written in stone?

I, for one, would like to have it written in stone... until that moment in time I concur with any admin (Flanik in this case). But please keep any discussion about rules open so "written rules" can be amended when needed...

[ByteMe97]

OK Ace drop the other shoe...

From my perspective there are possible clarity issues with rule wording:

1. There is no specific time limit on rushing stated. (Tattmtt)

2. ADMIN's are often on duty while playing, and leave to enforce rules if they see it is necessary.(A cop on his day off is still a cop and can still enforce the law)

3. I hate abusive smoke with no value as much as flanik and having played with and against him oh about 2000+ rds at tthis point if he shot someone it was a rules violation he was shot for, we don't kill friendlies for fun and profit.

4. Spawn you need to realize that addressing anything but the rule question here can be constituted as arguing a rule with, in this case many, ADMIN's(a bannable offense)

5. My issue of 4-min rush is this: If i slow crawl for 4 minutes and then sprint to the DT it's still rushing. The reason the time is not fixed is rushing is rushing and a judgement call to a degree.(if i drive 55mph in 40mph zone I am guilty of speeding and will be pulled over, but if I do 45mph I am still speeding but will likely not be touched) So if I am at the car at 3:59 and i played tactically did I rush?

My point is that certain rules are elements of judgment and not black letter and if an ADMIN feels there is a violation, even if it happens while he's playing) then there is a violation.

[Gungjuilio]

I have to back up Flanik on this subject matter..Flanik is one of the reasons I am in DoW. Flanik has never stepped out of bounds when it comes to Admining and when playing on the servers. He may have voiced his opinion about hating smoke be he would never shoot anyone for throwing one if they are on assault. I myself have TKed people for disobeying the rules because it saves the opposing team the grief of having to deal with the person who is breaking the rules.
I then tell them of their wrong doings at the beginning of the next round. This saves them from getting banned and a second chance to do the right thing. If they then choose to break the rules I then go into admin mode and ban them.
I firmly belive that Flanik was not being an "evil admin" and just kicking anyone for absolutely no reason.
He is an outstanding person and and has more morals than I think anyone gives him credit for.

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

Im over it now, i don't play DOW servers anymore. But the rushing incident should be made official (no time limit on rushing). Yes, i questioned him, if thats arguing i dare not apologise. Although a cop is still a cop off duty, who will police the police? If you want to ban me from all DOW servers, please feel free. But i did bring up something that needed looking into (the rushing bit).

[Hari Seldon]

I think this subject has been beaten to death. Flanik, JB, and I were the only ones present at the event that have commented on this thread, and I will not reiterate what has been stated. Unfortunately, rushing appears to be a nebulus concept, and will remain in the hands of the Admin, and the Admin ruling is the policy - this is not a democracy or a republic, but I think having an open forum to discuss concerns should be continued. 'Nuff said.

[Rogue]

I would have to agree with Gunholio...I have played on -=DoW=- server for sometime now and have played with Flanik and seen Flanik in action when he is admining......Flanik shows more restraint than I would in some situations but he always acts (wether playing or admining) with the utmost care and there for have my respect (as do all of the -=DoW=- admins IMHO).

When someone is banned from a -=DoW=- server they either didn't follow the rules (real stupid of them) or were using a cheat/hack (EVEN MORE STUPID OF THEM).

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

But no-one got banned.

[Dutchie]

then that is the end of this conversation... :lol:

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

Do we have a Jerry Springer final thought moment? :|

[Gungjuilio]

Don't make me get medieval!!! If you want to see and admin who is cut short and abrupt about everything....come in a game when I am admin.
:L_Devil: Where do you think the term "Evil Admin" came from?
As far as accusing a -=DoW=- member in the future of anything..you better have solid evidence instead of this ho-hum beat around the bush I think this is what he said because my friend said he said bologna. Alot of people complain about -=DoW=- Admins and you want to know why? Because they don't get their way. They don't get to break the rules and get away with it. They don't get to cheat and get away with it. So they end up getting banned or kicked and immediately they point the finger at the admin who as doing his job. Might as well just say "The devil made me do it!" would sound better than all this other manure that is being spread around.
Defiantly by all means please go to another clan's server and point your fingers at their admins for doing things wrong and leave our family alone. Go somewhere else and cause contention and stop murmuring about the fine people here.

[-=DoW=- MauryMac]

I'm pretty sure ive been called the "Moody Admin" more that a few times :morodjev:

[-=DoW=- Deze]

I dont know why Spawn.... ehhh.... sorry..... Nick is trying to draw all this attention to him self. If I had been on another server, and one of my "friends" had made a mistake, I would tell him to go argue with this clan himself. Do you really want ALL the admins ( and ALL the -=DoW=- members ) to watch you when you decide to come to one of our servers to play?? I dont think that will be very funny to any of us! And this is JUST A GAME!!! Have fun and enjoy, and dont get so PO´ed about some small episode!!

[-=DoW=- SmokieRat]

I'v been called a speedy admin. :mrgreen:

[ByteMe97]

Yeah but only by misses Rat... :LOL:

[Spawn_Of_Darkside]

Unless you aint all noticed, wanted to give up on this thread a loooonnnggg time ago. See if ya see when. Im over the whole evil admin thing, i dont play on DOW servers, full stop. But some of you seem cool, hense me popping back and forth with gossip or stuff to say. Im like a special guest appearence guy. But, luckily, seen as though i dont play on DOW servers no more, i have nothing to moan about.

[Hari Seldon]

Roger.

[-=DoW=- MauryMac]

Don't you mean Affirmative ;-)