Disavow a clan.......or how the -=DOW=- should be disolved

[Acedeal]

This is the whole Topic from AA forums.
I am sure that it will not last much Longer.
Feel free to add any comments any way you like without fear of reprisals.
We had to maintain a modicom of maturity over at AA, we do not have to now:........

I have it locked at the moment untill I get the rest of this BS moved over here.. I'd hate for them to get out of order..

This should be one of the best topics we've had in awhile ::)..
They may delete the topics on AA, but I have made a copy of all 5 pages :)..

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Posted From
From VBI.

First if this is not the right "place" in the forum for this thread I will be happy to move it elsewhere, But it does need to be said, and action should take place.
-=DOW=- clan should be shut down by AA, and their gamespy authorisation should be removed.
I know as private server owners there is somewhat of a line that is drawn between what is the "AA Way" and what is the "private server way". But there has to be a standard, that all ADMINS regardless of Private, or Official, has to abide by.
I was on the DOW2 sniper server early this morning. There were 2 people chaeting (GASPPPP for shame) but myself and other complained for hours. Nothing was done however, so i initiated a votekick and was TKd. When I came back I was kicked byt the ADMIn who had been there the entire time, yet had done nothing to his "friends". I came back in a second time to find out what the problem was....and I was kicked and banned...without even saying a word.
I went to the -=DOW=- "Bridge" server and asked for an ADMIN. When I was answered I asked where I would be able to file a complaint. The ADMIN asked me "What do you wish to complain about"......As soon as I told the ADMIN I wanted to make a complaint about the ADMIN from their other server I was kicked, and banned.
I finally found the address for their website and made a post to their guestbook. you can read it at http://www.dow-sniper.net/ , and I sent a private message to the owner of the site explaining this whole thing to him as I explained to you.
I recieved a return message from the -=DOW=- owner a few minutes ago. He details to me that because he is a PRIVATE server owner he does not have to Recognise, Abide by, or in anyway conform to the standards set forth by AA, HomeLan, GameSpy, or the spirit of the game in general.
He was quite ticked off because I informed him that I would be informing members of my clan [VBI]Clan not to use his server, that I would solicit support on other servers for users not to visit his server, and that I would ban any -=DOW=- clan member from my server without cause for his ADMINS actions.
He flaunted his disrespect for the rules or AA, and the spirit of the game by saying "Please contact whomever you like at the UoH. Here are a few other website that you can post your complaints on.
http://www.americasarmy.com/, http://www.aafiles.com/, http://www.aaextreme.com/, etc, etc. We at
DoW love the free advertising."

Now here is my point to you all:
There has to be a common ground between the Official Servers and the Private Servers. I have a list of rules for my server posted on our website for all the world to see and I expect them to be followed to the LETTER for everyone, not just a certain few. ADMINS should bot be allowed to "overlook" actions by their friends.
I am therefore going to do here just what I told the -=DOW=- owner I would, and what he chided me to do.
I would like to ask that everyone please avoid the -=DOW=- servers in a show of support. To show them that just because they "own" the server, they are not above the rules of the game in which they play.
The AA game, and this community are much more than the sum of those to words "Game, Community" MANY of us are Active, Former, Retired, Future, or family of all the above military. To allow this type of blatant "Slap" from the -=DOW=- People, and to let them think they are above the rules is a dishonor to everything this game is about. For them to even think they are above those rules shows they have no Honor, Integrity, Loyalty, and have no respect for the game anyway. So again I ask you please do not patron their website, their servers, or allow their members to patron any of yours as well.

Thank you for your time.

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As you were gentlemen

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From Madrake2
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Dear VBI:
Yes, I'm sure you are very irritated by the situation.
Yes, your individual actions of avoiding their website and server may be warranted based on your own experiences. But others will continue to judge the -=DOW=- server based on their own experiences. (And so will I.)
Remember, (and this goes for everyone), if you don't like the "rules" of a server, go to a different server. Some servers even allow cheat codes. Some don't. Look for the one you like. Some have honor restrictions. Some rotate. Some are "official". Some aren't. Some are slower than molasses. Some are pretty efficient.

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From Vicky23

I am an EX (I stress ex) member of -=DoW=-. Now while we have had our disagreements, I think that it has been said, Private Server admins can ban or kick whom they wish. If they wish it to be friends and family only, that is their choice. If it's a clan only server, or a 'certain weapon only server' (like their sniper-only servers) again, that is their choice.

I am sorry you have had a bad experiance with them. Now I am not sticking up for them, but all private servers. When you go to one, you are at the mercy of that admin. I personally know AceDeal and he is a fairly even headed guy. We also need to remember, that there are two stories to this...your's and their's. Until bothsides come out, I think it best to reserve judgement.

-(OC)- Vicky23
http://www.theoutcasts.org/

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From [1]75th_Benson
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Hey Vicky, check your PMs.
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FROM VBI
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First
to Mindraker2: I never said ALL site rules should be the same. I said that ALL RULES on a server should apply to ALL PEOPLE EQUALLY.
While each branch of the service is separate and autonimouse, they all adhere to the same UCMJ. So All people on a server no matter if they are a member or not should be treated the same.
As for the see it yourself part.....I would be happy to post the entire e-mail I was sent. As far as my comments, like i said I made my post to their guestbook, and unless they are afraid of my remarks...it will still be there.
My server is a cheat server, because we like to run snipers only games, but their are rules, and everyone must follow those rules the same. No matter the affiliation.
Second
To Vicky 32
How can you expect a child, or a probable recruit, or even the plain old average game player to learn fairness, or equallity in an environment where even the ADMINS are biased in their actions. Again that is NOT what this game is about. That is why there are ROE, and HONOR points in this game, to show that disregard for the rules is not allowed. Why should the game be allowed to be used in a different manner just because it is not on an official server.
If a server has rules then those rules apply to everyone who patrons the site.....not just the ones they pick and choose from. I am sorry but the "It is my server" mentality and the like is wrong. If you operate a public establishment of any kind, then you have a responsability to everyone who uses it, if not then you should close it to members only or password protect it. Even then the rules should apply to everyone who is allowed to use the service equally.
And like I said above I will be more than happy to post the e-mail I recieved so you can see the comments first hand. I have nothing to hide.
I was banned for no reason from both servers, I wanted to file a complaint, and I was treated as if "Big Deal", well it is not a big deal in the fat that it is just a game. But it is a Big Deal in the fact that there has to be a standard. Thee is a standard in fact. The standard was made when you downloaded, installed and accepted the the use of the game. The game has rules, and no matter if it is a Official Server, or a Private Server......those rules of conduct should not change.

VBI

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As you were gentlemen

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FROM OC JUSTin
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The admin were doing there job. I play and admin on the -=DoW=- Server sometimes and i find the admins to be very nice and friendly (all of them) as long as you follow the rules. If you were ban it was because you were breaking the rules. You should have read the rules at http://www.dow-sniper.net/ before you ever played on that server (as with any privete server if they have rules) The -=DoW=-'s have been in AA for a long time, since it came out about and are a very nice and good sniper's only clan/squad. I havn't had one bad run in with a -=DoW=- member. And you have no right to be telling AA to get rid of DoW and the server autheration because that admin that ban you was doing his job.

Also, since you were ban from one server you were ban from all the DoW and Oc server.

Have a nice day :D

[Acedeal]

FROM SIR REGAL
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Would you come in to my house and after being asked to leave, go to my landlord and tell him I should be evicted because I asked you to get out? When you are on anything other than a HomeLAN or SCI server you are subject to the admin of that particular servers rules. If you don't like it, go somewhere else because at last check, with all public and private servers, there are well over 500 other places for you to go.





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From IMP Dyionsus
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This will seem like a fudge.

I agree with everyone. I used to play on the DOW Sniper Server, I stopped some time ago because I found "unnerving" that some guy (who appeared to be an admin) kept shooting me in the Defence from the Assault Tower through the fog. Every single round. I thought, leave it.

Having said that, a clan should be twice as strick on friends and clanmembers if they are doing anything iffy. Allegations of iffy behaviour must be looked into. It is too easy to lose the reputation of the clan because of situations like these.

If the account is accurate, the DOW admin should have not acted in that way. However, there are two sides to every story and that needs to be considered.

I had a run in with a small clan who tried through intimidation to silence my complaints. DOW needs to show a bit of intelligence about this complaint and react in a positive way.

Guys, remember what happened to the DH clan a few months ago.
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Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a social Democrat - so I did nothing.
Then came the Trade Unionists, but I was not a Trade Unionist.
And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew - so I did little.
Then when they came for me, there was no one left who could stand up for me.
Pastor Martin Niemoller.

Check out The Praetorian Guard - http://www.praetorianguard.tk/

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FROM VBI
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Thank you justin:
Since you too feel that the public has no rights when they come to your place.....and said it in public, I will add you to the list of unwelcomes as well. Glad you do not own an eatery.....hate to see what would happen wha I say "No I want my steak well done, not rare".......people have rights, and no one here is a dictator.
It amazes me how fast you all tern into little Osamas, ans Sadams when it is "your" server.....because only you know what is best......but wait you are playing a game designed to train the military to fight the Osamas, and the Sadams........how truly ironic.

VBI

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As you were gentlemen

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FROM ACEDEAL
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Ohhh, I love it, another flame..
let's just see the whole story..
We'll call this hate mail number 10001, as this server has been up since July, I have prolly received this many emails of this type.

Now he has my attention, until the all cap lock temper tantrum, I receive a threat, some flames and I respond in kind.

real_name: Wayne
gamename: [VBI] VeryBadInfluence
comment_question: I am the owner of [VBI] Clan Server and http://www.vbiclan.com/ website.
I want to complain to you about the 2 admins on duty on 2-3-03 between 5:30 - 6:00AM EST on the DOW "Bridge", and DOW "Mountain Pass" servers.
There were 2 players in there all night "Witmann", and "SCARPJ" who were using AUTOS, and EXPLOSIVES, using the Valley as a transfere point. and I complained about it ALL NIGHT no one said or did anything. I initiated a votekick against Witmann because he tried to TK me. I WAS KICKED by an ADMIN who had been ther for some time. When I came back I was kicked again, and my IP was banned. So I went to the DOW "Bridge" server and asked to talk to an admin there. I asked how I could initiate a complaint, and the admin asked me what my complain was. When I told the admin it was in regard to another admin on the "Mountain Pass" server I was kicked, and banned.
SO FROM THIS POINT ON "ANY" DOW MEMBERS WHO CONNECT TO MY SERVER WILL BE BANNED WITHOUT CAUSE. I WILL CREATE A PAGE ON OUR SITE INFORMING EVERYONE OF YOUR ADMINS ACTIONS TOWARDS ME. I WILL TELL EVERYONE WHO PLAYS ON MY SERVER ABOUT THE ACTIONS OF YOUR ADMINS. I WILL TELL EVERYONE ON ANY OTHER SERVER I PLAY ON ABOUT THE ACTIONS OF YOUR ADMINS. I AM GOING TO WRITE THE DEANS OFFICE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON WHERE THE DOW SERVERS ARE LOCATED AND TELL THEM IN HOPES THEY WILL SHUT THE SERVERS DOWN FOR CAUSE.
You have a responsability to uphold the standards on your game servers, and that actions of your admins. They can not pick and choose the people they want to ban, or the actions they want to condone.....just because they may know a person. or like them.
I am going to post a copy of this complaint in your guest book as well, as I feel everyone who visits you site should know the kind of people they are dealing with.
Your command has NO HONOR, NO INTEGRITY, and NO BUSINESS IN AA.
[VBI]VeryBadInfluence

So my response back to him was



-----Original Message-----
From: Tommy Burchfield [mailto:ntburchf@.com]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 1:20 PM
To: vbi@vbiclan.com
Subject: Re: Comments or Questions about -=DoW=-Acedeal

Wayne,
Thanks for you comments. But seeing how you have decided to threaten and or warn me and with your show of emotions by having this little temper tantrum, I guess there is no need for me to investigate this matter.
You had my attention until you started the threats and the flames. But i will not waste time on matters such as these.
If you would like to resend your complaint in a more mature adult matter without the threats and flames, then we here at dow will look into this matter. (who was the admin).

But I will point out a couple of things where you are mistaken.
1. This is a private server and as such, we can ban / kick, etc for whatever reasons we deem fit.
2. Please contact whomever you like at the UoH.
3. Here are a few other website that you can post your complaints on.
http://www.americasarmy.com/, http://www.aafiles.com/, http://www.aaextreme.com/, etc, etc. We
at DoW love the free advertising.
3. Next time send names of the admin(s) that you had a run in with.

Thanks,
Now go back and study. And stop worrying about the small stuff.


Does anyone else here see the contradictions to his promise about banning all of -=DoW=-.. :) hmmm is he just not cry-babying about the TOS above, then goes on to explain the threat of his entire clan ban... :)..

Oh well, like I told him feel free to post his drivel and little tirade here, as I am sure that most of the server owners that see this type of stuff as I do.. Useless waste of bandwidth.

But he fails to mention the real reason he got banned in the first Place..

From one of my admins

From: msch <mschadt@>
Subject: Re: Comments or Questions about -=DoW=-Acedeal
To: CSM Acedeal <acedeal@dow-sniper.net>
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106

Talk about a cry baby. The fact is I had just joined the server and everyone
else was complaning about him. Soon after that he tryed to votekick ME not
witman. A second or two later I spectated over to him and he was spraying
the center hill with a S.A.W. that is why he was kicked. then he came back
to female dog and moan hince why he is banned.

Hmm. I guess as a server owner, he just fails to see that Rules are Rules, and 90% of the AA comunity that comes on our servers know we do not put up with any BS what-so-ever.

What's so funny is that he is trying to copy what we at dow having been doing since July (Sniper Only Servers) and here he is using a SAW :)...Just another bad copy of a great Idea.

I'd post his comments back to me, but they are pretty much the standard threats, name calling, whinning, etc...(Let me know if you would like to see his response to my note to him, it's a goddie.)

But while we are on the subject of being banned..
http://www.americasarmy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=47009&amp;forum=15 I'll give him another place to post his temper tantrum.

-=DoW=- "The First, The Original, The often Imitated but Never Duplicated "Sniper Only Battalion"----

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From ACEDEAL
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On 2003-02-03 21:33:10, ={IMP}=Dionysius wrote:
This will seem like a fudge.

I agree with everyone. I used to play on the DOW Sniper Server, I stopped some time ago because I found "unnerving" that some guy (who appeared to be an admin) kept shooting me in the Defence from the Assault Tower through the fog. Every single round. I thought, leave it.

Let me correct you. A admin can not play the game while in admin mode.
more 2 coppers of wasted bandwidth.

[Acedeal]

FROM ACEDEAL
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Ohh what the heck, Let's just keep this going until they delete the topic..
Or remove me and my clan for the AA game :)
Have not had a good pi$$ing match in a long time.
So without further adue(sp)
Here was the letter he send back..Have no fear ladies and gent's.. He has sent a few more besides this one..

Does anyone else see the making of a spoiled baby here.. I do not like you, or I do not get my way, so I am going to pout and whine to whomever will listen :)

From: "Wayne<vbi@vbiclan.com>
To: "'Tommy Burchfield'" <ntburchf@at.com>
Subject: RE: Comments or Questions about -=DoW=-Acedeal
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:43:49 -0500
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616
Importance: Normal

Tommy

First off idiot I never flamed anything or anyone; I stated factual intentions.
Second if I had known the name of the imbecile who had kicked me I would
have posted it, hence the reason I posted the date and time of the incident. But I guess your intelligence is below looking at your own server logs to see who the people where.
I had no temper tantrum you punk, so you feel free to take my comments anyway you like, but since you feel you are above reproach, I am sure that the US Army development team will see otherwise. There is a disclaimer you turd, that states you will operate the game on your server in a responsible, unbiased manner or they can, and will force you to stop operating it. I will see that done, you can bank on it.
Your study comment made no logical sense, if you are referring to my
age....I am old enough to be your father more than likely, and if you
are referring to the UofH comment they host your IP address dork.
I already have the support of 3 other private AA server owners who will
not allow any of your players to play on their servers, and it has only
been 6 hours. Get used to playing with yourself (pun intended).
As I said before you have a responsibility to the game and what it stands for to provide an unbiased, level, and fair playing field for everyone who visits your server. No matter who owns it.......your lack of control over the pricks that ADMIN your servers proves you have no
Honor, no Integrity, and that you should not be a host of an AA server.
I will make it a priority to see that your server authorization is removed by game spy and AA.

VBI

jeeze, that one was scary :).
Oh well this is fun, but getting boring..Also have some server's to dictate over. (Or was that show my tyrannical presence on).
Or what was it the windbad said.. Us server owners are like Islamic Terrorist now.( He's about to cross from good flame war and go over the line he really does not want to cross.)

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FROM -(Oc)-WFD1566
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Just seem kinda of strange that on a Dow server someone breaking the rules was not immediatly kicked by an Admin while on duty. As a memeber of Oc I play on Dow frequently along with the other sniper only servers and if some one is "Cheating" or not following the rules established by the server owner and Admin is on duty they are kicked immediatly. So I sincerly doubt that an Admin was present when this was going on. Also even though I do not know -=DoW=- Acedeal on a personnal level I do know that he and his Admin's police the server to make sure the people who are there to enjoy the sniper only enviroment because there is always someone that comes in and dosen't read the rules and fires a auto or nades people. and as per your own admission and I

quote....
I finally found the address for their website and made a post to their guestbook
Unquote

You didn't know the rules because as it is posted on the server name--Dow sniper only for rules goto website.....So lighten up there ad relax and if you have a formal complaint do what -=DoW=- Acedeal told you to do and make valid inquiry into the problem to him without the threats. I dont think you would go onto a store with a complaint with that type of attitude and expect to get any where would you?


[ This Message was edited by: -(Oc)-WFD1566 on 2003-02-04 00:23:41 ]

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FROM VBI
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I notice you did not show any OF YOUR e-mails to me about this...why is that?
Could it be because of your threats to have my server removed for filing complaints on your in fact your e-mails are as follows and in chronological order.
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Wayne,
Thanks for you comments. But seeing how you have decided to threaten and or
warn me and with your show of emotions by having this little temper
tantrum, I guess there is no need for me to investigate this matter. You had my attention until you started the threats and the flames. But i
will not waste time on matters such as these.
If you would like to resend your complaint in a more mature adult matter
without the threats and flames, then we here at dow will look into this
matter. (who was the admin).

But I will point out a couple of things where you are mistaken. 1. This is a private server and as such, we can ban / kick, etc for
whatever reasons we deem fit.
2. Please contact whomever you like at the UoH.
3. Here are a few other website that you can post your complaints on.
http://www.americasarmy.com/, http://www.aafiles.com/, http://www.aaextreme.com/, etc, etc. We at
DoW love the free advertising.
3. Next time send names of the admin(s) that you had a run in with.

Thanks,
Now go back and study. And stop worrying about the small stuff.

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Tommy

First off idiot I never flamed anything or anyone; I stated factual
intentions.
Second if I had known the name of the imbecile who had kicked me I would
have posted it, hence the reason I posted the date and time of the
incident. But I guess your intelligence is below looking at your own
server logs to see who the people where.
I had no temper tantrum you punk, so you feel free to take my comments
anyway you like, but since you feel you are above reproach, I am sure
that the US Army development team will see otherwise. There is a
disclaimer you turd, that states you will operate the game on your
server in a responsible, unbiased manner or they can, and will force you
to stop operating it. I will see that done, you can bank on it.
Your study comment made no logical sense, if you are referring to my
age....I am old enough to be your father more than likely, and if you
are referring to the UofH comment they host your IP address dork.
I already have the support of 3 other private AA server owners who will
not allow any of your players to play on their servers, and it has only
been 6 hours. Get used to playing with yourself (pun intended).
As I said before you have a responsibility to the game and what it
stands for to provide an unbiased, level, and fair playing field for
everyone who visits your server. No matter who owns it.......your lack
of control over the pricks that ADMIN your servers proves you have no
Honor, no Integrity, and that you should not be a host of an AA server.
I will make it a priority to see that your server authorization is
removed by game spy and AA.

VBI
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Wayne.

You do whatever you feel you have to do.
But you started out with the threats, and Flames.
You call them facts, I call it a little cry-baby temper tantrum..

>are dealing with.
>Your command has NO HONOR, NO INTEGRITY, and NO BUSINESS IN AA.
This is not a flame?????
Not once did I call you a name, so go cry to someone who gives a rat's ass!

If you think that your long tirades that you are sending me, matter one iota, then you have more issues then I can help you with.

Let me set you straight on a couple things;

I think you need to check to see where this IP is, UoH does not host this I do.
I am 42, so probably could be your daddy. (I'll ask your mommy)
I could give a rat's ass, what server owners you contact.
It makes no matter to me one freaking bit, who you contact at the army / AA ./ Homelan / Gamespy. I run cuss free, cheat free, lamer free servers. (and you fall into the lamer category with your all cap lock remarks),,
This server has been running since July, so you are not the first spoiled little brat to threaten me.
I'll say it again "This is a private server, and as such I will run it as I see fit". You have none, zero, nada, no rights what-so-ever, to access this server".
Also, if not mistaken, you have just contradicted yourself about 5 times here about the AA terms of service. I am not the one threatening to ban you, your clan, or getting other clans to ban dow members. But alas, no matter, we probably do not play on you little servers anyway.. We have 4 of our own :).. and 6 more that are part of our clan's alliances.. So threaten away..

Feel free to contact whoever you see fit, so that we can set the record straight about the threats, and your little cry-baby episode..

Instead of an adult mature email, you just had to put in all the CAP LOCK BS.. It would have taken 30 secs to fix your ip. But seeing how you are a whiny assed-little kid, and for calling me names, here's a number to call, and they may give a crap....1-800-cry-baby..

Please send me the names of the other server owners that you have aligned yourself with, so that I may inform the members here. We would hate to come on your "un-biased servers". And seeing how we have not broken any of their rules, maybe I should contact AA devs about your threats..
So instead of your threats, and contradictions, I suggest you take my advice and "Go Study, and stop worrying about the small stuff".

I am including my sig, so that you and your little buddies can feel free to contact me, or the AA devs ,, gamespy, etc, etc....

So get a life punk.


PS. Should I use all the resources at my disposal to make if known how you like to threaten people?? Let's just see what AA / Gamespy, etc think about your little episode here. I too will be contacting gamespy, the AA devs, and the Director of Homelan, about your continual threats and useless drivel. You may ban / threaten to ban / or do whatever you and your little buddies wish. And when you do, you will be in violation of the TOS, that you seem to be quoting.. Like I said threaten, write, call, campaign, hell, let me give you the name of our congress / senators as I am also from houston, but now in dallas..

If you would like the Director of Homelan name and contact number just ask..

77-81, Proud Veteran.
What's your excuse???????? PUNK.
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Wayne.

Here is the reason you got banned.
So take your little temper tantrums elsewhere.
I'm sure that if I really wanted to, I could drag up the logs and find out
all this info, but you know what, "You my friend, are not worth the time".


Next time I guess you'll follow the rules, ie Sniper only weapons does not
include a SAW..
So go back, open your school books, study and leave the driving to us :). Now grow up, and quit playing the hurt little innocent person charade. You do not like the rules here, then stay the hell
away....................!!!!!!!!!!

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I was not playing you idiot. The level started while I was talking to your admin. You ask the puke, if I did not come there to get information on filing a complaint. As soon as I said it was to report another admin he banned me. I was there to talk to the admin, and the admin knew it! The admin was already talking to me, I never even left the starting spot! And you can kiss my ass you punk. Because I have already instituted the process of having your servers SHUT DOWN! Your Admin WAS WRONG. Your banning of me was WRONG! You will tighten up your ship brother......or it is going to sink, bank on it.

VBI
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Dear Waste of Air and Time,
So much so, I am not even going to spell check :)

What ever!!

I think you will soon find out how the AA comunity feels about your useless
trash.
I'm glad you have posted on the AA forums, so that we can all see what a
little cry-baby you are when things do not go your way..
I have posted your letter, and my response back so that the whole AA scene
can see what a little crap you are and how you brought this on your self. As I said, Please feel free to post you useless whiney ass trash where ever
and to whomever you wish. No one gives a flying fork. As you will soon find
out, I think you just shot your own toe off..
WHINE WHINE WHINE BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH........
You need the number for the deans office? or Allen's number who is the
Director of Homelan.. How about the Joint Chiefs of staff?? Go post you
freaking drivel where ever you like.

Help me............I am sinking.....hahahah you are so funny!!!!! It
was a pretty boring day, but thanks for making it better.. Now go away
little boy.

PS.
WHINE WHINE WHINE BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH........
WHINE WHINE WHINE BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH........
WHINE WHINE WHINE BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH........
WHINE WHINE WHINE BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH........

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Now there you have it ALL the E-Mail the way it was sent. I did not even bother replying to the last two. Now you tell me who is the child?
If I am a child because I filed a complaint against this idiot, and his retarded crew of admins, because I feel they are not fair in their duties.....well I am a child. And if I am a child because I feel that all the servers open to the public should be held accountable for their actions.......then I am a child. If my right to free speech makes me a child, and my right to tell others the kind of shenanagins you pull makes me a child then I am a child........but you know what?
I am an AMERICAN child, and those are my rights, and that is what I intend on doing. I will Ban every member of -=DoW=- from my server that steps foot in it, along with the (OC) people too since he included himself in your little precept. I will and have reported you to GameSpy to have your server authorization removed, I have sent an e-mail to AA, I did post this forum (just like you said I should), and I will call the UoH and report the IP use (by the way you can fool some of the people with that "this is all my server" garbage.....but WHOIS information does not lie.....your IP is provided by UoH).

You have a responsability to the AA community, and the people in it, to provide a fair, and honest game! How can you say "No one has any rights, or recourse on your server"? If that is so then you admit to giving cheaters, and people who use under handed tactics, an advantage over the honest game player. Which is what the REST of the admin world tries to get rid of.
After your comments it is plain that you have no obligation in your eyes to be fair or just to anyone.......and that is the issue. You have NO HONOR, NO INTEGRITY, and you DO NOT deserve to run an AA server.
You said I was childish?......did you even think about readig any of your posts?

You are a loser, and I am ashamed to have even logged into your server to begin with.

VBI

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As you were gentlemen

[ This Message was edited by: VBI on 2003-02-04 00:31:54 ]

[Acedeal]

FROM ACEDEAL
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Actually,
You left out the first letter you sent to me. (You know the ones with the initial threat)..You also forgot to quote the admin's message back to me. You forgot to include my sig so that others may call me on this matter. I'm sure that was a little more you left out.. But I need to re-check them when I am not riding herd over my troopers :)..

As to your point about not including my replies.. Wrong again cheif.. Just look up and you will see them.
You'll see you initial letter, my reply, and then your response back.
Now if we give away how this ends to soon noone will be watching..

I just getting ready to post more of your useless trash , but wanted to make sure I got all your posts in order.

If you'll notice, so far they have been in order and formated nicley so that others can seem them. Hint.. use the quote feature, as it makes it easier to read..

As I stated, Please let me know who's numbers and addresses you need to so that you can further embarrass yourself.

I see you are confused once again. I as in (ME) do not have a single IP hosted by the UoH. I think you have me confused with one of my other server owners. Nothing I own is on that campus. So once again, you are incorrect.

Thanks for putting the emails in order (But you left out your initial letter to me (Shame on you)
But of couse that would not help your case as the martyr (Ohh I am so innocent)now would it..

Now every one can see you and only you brought this upon yourself with you trash in the very first letter you sent to me..

While this little love story is quite amusing, you'll notice that my reply back to you was correct and to the point.

You then reply back by calling me an idiot and flaming my admins. etc,. etc.. The love story contiunes..

I then reply back, with same attitude and sacasam that you used..........

Stay tuned, Same bat channel, same bat time.. I am sure we are intersted in more of you opinions as to how this game, GOD HONOR and COUNTRY should be equated to each other.

I await with undying love and devoution, for your quick response
Yours Truly
Acedeal ,,!,0,o,,!,

This is so fun.. Ohh I can not wait for more..Please hurry and post more before they delete the topic..

PS. stop whining about how peeps have no recourse about issues.. We have a set methodology (that would be a process)used for complaints and or issues. But you used it to threaten me, so now stand up and face the music little one.
whine whine blah blah... :)

[Acedeal]

FROM VICKY23
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On reading all of this I figured out why you were upset.

You were on the server, saw some people change to the sniper rifle (using the mpcheat changeclass) and got upset. So you started a votekick, but didn't bother to read the server rules that STATED it is a sniper-only server. Using anything else is a bannable offense.

You became upset and contacted Ace because you thought the admin was out of line.

Well, next time read the server rules.

Also, don't start throwing mud. You wouldn't believe how many people bad mouth VBI.

Anyway, it's getting late, and I am tired. I will check on this thread tomarrow morning.
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<[Dev]Skorzeny> I base all gun purchases on "Will this kill a velociraptor?"

I have gone to look for myself, if I should return, before I get back, keep me here

[Acedeal]

FROM KYLEBUCK
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man, you guys are really immature posting stuff about one of the best clans there are out there. the only reason you have a grudge against them is because you were immature little children...

and VBI... you of all our fellow clan members needs to grow up... you may not like DoW because you got banned... but just because of your actions dosent mean that DoW is a bad clan... and if any clan should be dissolved... well, no clan should.

I seriously think you need to take a time-out in life... this is a game... and just because you do something wrong, dosent mean that you can let others have their privalliges taken away of having fun... and if you think that DoW should be destroyed... i think you are seriously wrong... i bet you couldnt get into DoW if you even wanted to pay... that is how much i think you are immature, as inconsiderate and incapable...

if you have problems with people... deal with it.. life is a female dog.. and then you make that female dog female dogier.
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Kyle Bucuk.... -(Oc)-LoneStar

[Acedeal]

FROM -(Oc)-Joshthagod
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On 2003-02-03 19:20:20, VBI wrote:
First if this is not the right "place" in the forum for this thread I will be happy to move it elsewhere, But it does need to be said, and action should take place.
-=DOW=- clan should be shut down by AA, and their gamespy authorisation should be removed.
I know as private server owners there is somewhat of a line that is drawn between what is the "AA Way" and what is the "private server way". But there has to be a standard, that all ADMINS regardless of Private, or Official, has to abide by.
I was on the DOW2 sniper server early this morning. There were 2 people chaeting (GASPPPP for shame) but myself and other complained for hours. Nothing was done however, so i initiated a votekick and was TKd. When I came back I was kicked byt the ADMIn who had been there the entire time, yet had done nothing to his "friends". I came back in a second time to find out what the problem was....and I was kicked and banned...without even saying a word.
I went to the -=DOW=- "Bridge" server and asked for an ADMIN. When I was answered I asked where I would be able to file a complaint. The ADMIN asked me "What do you wish to complain about"......As soon as I told the ADMIN I wanted to make a complaint about the ADMIN from their other server I was kicked, and banned.
I finally found the address for their website and made a post to their guestbook. you can read it at http://www.dow-sniper.net/ , and I sent a private message to the owner of the site explaining this whole thing to him as I explained to you.
I recieved a return message from the -=DOW=- owner a few minutes ago. He details to me that because he is a PRIVATE server owner he does not have to Recognise, Abide by, or in anyway conform to the standards set forth by AA, HomeLan, GameSpy, or the spirit of the game in general.
He was quite ticked off because I informed him that I would be informing members of my clan [VBI]Clan not to use his server, that I would solicit support on other servers for users not to visit his server, and that I would ban any -=DOW=- clan member from my server without cause for his ADMINS actions.
He flaunted his disrespect for the rules or AA, and the spirit of the game by saying "Please contact whomever you like at the UoH. Here are a few other website that you can post your complaints on.
http://www.americasarmy.com/, http://www.aafiles.com/, http://www.aaextreme.com/, etc, etc. We at
DoW love the free advertising."

Now here is my point to you all:
There has to be a common ground between the Official Servers and the Private Servers. I have a list of rules for my server posted on our website for all the world to see and I expect them to be followed to the LETTER for everyone, not just a certain few. ADMINS should bot be allowed to "overlook" actions by their friends.
I am therefore going to do here just what I told the -=DOW=- owner I would, and what he chided me to do.
I would like to ask that everyone please avoid the -=DOW=- servers in a show of support. To show them that just because they "own" the server, they are not above the rules of the game in which they play.
The AA game, and this community are much more than the sum of those to words "Game, Community" MANY of us are Active, Former, Retired, Future, or family of all the above military. To allow this type of blatant "Slap" from the -=DOW=- People, and to let them think they are above the rules is a dishonor to everything this game is about. For them to even think they are above those rules shows they have no Honor, Integrity, Loyalty, and have no respect for the game anyway. So again I ask you please do not patron their website, their servers, or allow their members to patron any of yours as well.

Thank you for your time.
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???

shut the hell up man

there servers, there rules.
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Proud Member Of TheOutCasts!
-(Oc)- 4 LiFe!

[Acedeal]

FROM -(Oc)-Joshthagod
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On 2003-02-04 01:23:02, Vicky23 wrote:
On reading all of this I figured out why you were upset.

You were on the server, saw some people change to the sniper rifle (using the mpcheat changeclass) and got upset. So you started a votekick, but didn't bother to read the server rules that STATED it is a sniper-only server. Using anything else is a bannable offense.

You became upset and contacted Ace because you thought the admin was out of line.

Well, next time read the server rules.

Also, don't start throwing mud. You wouldn't believe how many people bad mouth VBI.

Anyway, it's getting late, and I am tired. I will check on this thread tomarrow morning.

yup, same as the hellmaker servers...and if u get banned in one, ur gonna get banned in all ^.^ and being the person you are, u dont read obviously...privately ran servers=THERE RULES. sigh, vicky, ur quote is the nicest way of saying it, but im not nice, im rude..



vbi, ur a n00b, simple as that, and u obviously dont read the titles of the servers when u join or ud clearly see -=DOW=-snipers only (S,mos,svdetc)

Sigh, im so rude...im sorry, cant help it, thats what being italian and irish gets ya ^.^ alot of anger...so ya, all in all, **** you... ya i blocked it myself, dont feel like getting banned from forums ^.^
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Proud Member Of TheOutCasts!
-(Oc)- 4 LiFe!

[Acedeal]

FROM VBI

I did nothing wrong
-=DoW=- is a punk.
and Vicky you need to READ. I was on the BRIDGE SERVER FOR ONE REASON......to talk to the ADMIN NOT TO PLAY THE GAME......C A N Y O U R E A D T H A T ?
I was banned from the BRIDGE server when I asked for information on filing a complaint against the ADMIN in the MOUNTAIN PASS server.
You should not comment on posts you are not capable of reading, or understanding.
I do not care if you like me or not......that is not the issue here.
The issue is EQUAL RULES for ALL PLAYERS, and ANY OF YOU WHO SAYS YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE TREATED EQUALLY is a LIAR!!
When you are on a server, you have the SAME RIGHTS as ANY OTHER PLAYER!
No matter who's server it is!
This topic has nothing to do with SERVER SPECIFIC RULES......each server has their own ruls......you follow them that is true. BUT THOSE RULES HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED BY EVERYONE. and the ADMIN has not right to play favorites.

VBI

[Acedeal]

FROM VBI
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A nOOb lmao that is funny.....why because I have not posted here very much...ooooowwwwww forgive me for not being a "forum" guru. I post when I need to post.....you should see my other threads.....you might get something good out of them.
What right do you have to tell anyone to "shut up"?........this is not YOUR thread!
I started this thread, and you have a right to look at it and comment, or pass it by. But you have no right to tell anyone they can not express their opinion. I have not told anyone here to shut up.
I do not care if you like me, my opinion, or my post. If you do not like it fine. but you have no right to silence it.
As I said before I am not argueing the "rules" of the -=DoW=- server. Not my rules to argue. What I do argue is EQUAL TREATMENT OF ALL PLAYERS WHILE THEY ARE ON THAT SERVER.
I was kicked for NO LEGITIMATE REASON. I initiated a VOTE KICK on a player who was CHEATING according to the RULES, and the ADMIN WAS THERE and DID NOTHING!. The player TKd me when I initiated the votekick, and when I came back I was kicked by the admin, and banned!
That IS what happened PERIOD.....and if the ADMIN says otherwise HE/SHE is a LIAR!
The ADMIN was playing favorites plain and simple......and that is WRONG.
For now -=DoW=- may run a server, and people may not have rights there...but they do not run the internet or AA, and it is my right everywhere else to initiate, and carry on with my objective of reporting their actions to everyone I can.....and I will do that.
If you people don't like it.....OH WELL!

VBI

[Acedeal]

FROM [1]75th_Benson
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Ridiculous that you would bring ALL PLAYERS rights into this situation. I could probably understand your point if more than one person had this problem, but you appear to be the only one, so I am inclined to think you were wrong.

Whoever was in the wrong, I doubt that DoW will unban your IP, what reason do they have? and I doubt anyone would make them, what reason would they have?
_________________

[Acedeal]

FROM VBI

Posted: 2003-02-04 02:56:45
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Unbanning my IP is not the issue.
I have no intention of going back there anyway.

VBI

[Acedeal]

FROM VBI
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Posted: 2003-02-04 03:02:13
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and do you presume that my rights as an individual are less imporatant then the rights of a group?
That is a bit totalatarian is it not?
I think the ACLU would have an arguement against that.
And do you honestly believe that your rights as an individual are any less important than the rights of an entire group, just because they disagree with you or out number you....that would be very pesamistic on your part as a free human being.

VBI

[Acedeal]

FROM -=DoW=- Smokierat
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Posted: 2003-02-04 03:12:59
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So you're speaking on behalf of every single player in the AA universe? Everyone who's ever played on a DoW server and enjoyed a clean and respectable game? Where parents applaud the stern rules set forth and the way the admins enforce them? You do realize that if you had just stated your case without the capslock without this


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SO FROM THIS POINT ON "ANY" DOW MEMBERS WHO CONNECT TO MY SERVER WILL BE BANNED WITHOUT CAUSE. I WILL CREATE A PAGE ON OUR SITE INFORMING EVERYONE OF YOUR ADMINS ACTIONS TOWARDS ME. I WILL TELL EVERYONE WHO PLAYS ON MY SERVER ABOUT THE ACTIONS OF YOUR ADMINS. I WILL TELL EVERYONE ON ANY OTHER SERVER I PLAY ON ABOUT THE ACTIONS OF YOUR ADMINS. I AM GOING TO WRITE THE DEANS OFFICE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON WHERE THE DOW SERVERS ARE LOCATED AND TELL THEM IN HOPES THEY WILL SHUT THE SERVERS DOWN FOR CAUSE.

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You would have had no problem, no quarrel, no fight, and would have been welcomed back to the DoW server's if you really did nothing. Whoever kick banned you might have apologized if they were in the wrong. This is the truth whether you believe it is up to you.

[Acedeal]

FROM -(Oc)-WFD1566
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Posted: 2003-02-04 03:53:17
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"GAME SERVER RULES"

"WARNING FAILURE TO FOLLOW THESE RULES WILL RESULT IN INSTANT BANNING OF YOUR IP BY THE OWNER OR ADMIN OF THE [VBI] CLAN GAME SERVER"

1. THIS IS A "SNIPER ONLY" SERVER YOU ARE ALLOWED TO USE THE S24, S, MOS, SVD CHANGE CLASS COMMANDS "ONLY"!

2. THERE IS NO USE OF ANY OTHER WEAPONS, OR EXPLOSIVES ON THIS SERVER.

3. THE ONLY CHEAT COMMAND YOU MAY USE IS AS FOLLOWS "mpcheat changeclass s, s24, mos, svd".

4. you may use the "original" 3 (three) smoke grenades issued to you at the time you switch weapons. you may only use a maximum of 3 (three) smoke grenades.

5. the chasum is off limits to everyone. you may not use the chasum to snipe, move from place to place in the map, or otherwise go into it for any reason.

6. you will be warned 1 (one) time about any of the above infractions after that you will be banned from use of this server. to rejoin the server you must send a written request to the members of the [vbi] clan explaining your actions, along with an apology, and a request to be unbanned. your request may be considered at that time.

7. you will be banned "without warning" for doing any 1 (one) of the following:

a. using "ghost", or "god" mode cheats

b. using the "end game" cheat

c. using racial, gender, age, or any other personal attack on a user of the [vbi] clan server.

8. a member of the [vbi] clan can request the banning of a user of the server for NO REASON. as a member of the clan it is their right to do so.

9. if you are banned from the [vbi] clan server for any reason, your ip will be posted for all the other server admins in the community to see along with the reason you were banned from the [vbi] clan server. i will also post your domain, registrar, or ip provider specific information to be used if you were banned for any reason pertaining to gender, racial, age, or other civil abuse i deem unfit.

TO REPORT AN ABUSE TO THE OWNER OR ADMIN OF THE [VBI] CLAN GAME SERVER. SEND AN E-MAIL TO THE LINK ON THE RIGHT. YOU MAY INCLUDE TEXT, OR SCREEN IMAGES TO ENHANCE THE ISSUES OR YOUR COMPLAINT.



Hey I really like rule number 8 a VBI memeber can request banning without a reason. Boy thats really a fair and just way of doing things.How many people have you guys banned for no reasonwhat so ever just because one of your clan members requested it and, if you did I bet they were not in here bad mouthing VBI. So grow up already if you dont like the way Dow does something on their servers live with it and don't play there. Stop being a winny little immature child and spamming these forums with it.
Have a good night.

[Acedeal]

FROM ACEDEAL
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Posted: 2003-02-04 03:54:54
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VBI,
What is it that you fail to comprehend.
You got banned on the Mountain server, you show up on the Bridge server.

The ban follows you where ever you go. I do not know all the details of your episode, nor am I likely to check into it after this.

You Leave X server (more like banned from X server), show up on Y server. Admin A tells Admin B, he just banned you. Admin B hit's Ban Button.. End of the damn story.
(Little secret for the wise.. Admins run the game in window mode, and uses IRC and other means to chat with each other while game is going.)

Just to help you along my little lost friend.. I am going to post the rules that every -=DOW=- Admin must follow, or they are no longer an admin. And if the case warrants, they are no longer -=DoW=-..

Not that I need to explain my actions, my Server Admins Actions, or anything else that goes on on a -=DOW=- server.

But I am sure inquiring minds want to know why it is we have a reputation of being Hard-A33es..
IN A NUT SHELL, MY ADMINs DO NOT DISCUSS BANS, KICKS, OR anything else pertaining to why you just got kicked or have long drawn out discussions of that nature on the servers PERIOD!!.

Admins do not chit-chat with you about the rules, or other issues of the day. Admins are there for one reason and one reason only. (To Keep the lamers off).

My Admins do not argue with nor will be argued to on any server. Not good for the game, not good for the other players.
IF admin kicks you and you come back on, he will give short explanation as to why.
Then minute you begin to argue with, or have issue with that, you are kicked again or banned. (You people fail to realize that you get kicked off, so freaking what,, you lost 30 secs of time, you come back, play by the rules and move on... NO harm no Foul.

But the minute you start to type out the your reasoning for failure to follow "OUR RULES", your gone. We do not care that you do not know our rules... SEE THE SERVER TITLE FOR WEB ADDRESS ABOUT THE RULES.
It is your responsibility to know
"OUR HOUSE" rules.
Let me repeat, "OUR HOUSE", not yours, not AA, Not Homelan, but -=DOW=-'s

Our rules have the resources to make them mean something.

Person get's banned, go to forums, post note, or sends me email. Usually less then 24 hrs you get response. Peroid..Takes 30 secs to get you unbanned when you send a note explaining the who's and why's.

If you are to stupid to follow the rules, or just to lame to figure out what you need to do to get unbanned ,then that's your own fault.

We do not tolerate any cheaters, cussing, racial slurs, player names that are offensive, and a host of other rules, that has stood the test of time. (Little hint for the others out there, if we even suspect that you have fog turn off on your ATI card.. BANNED... Please tell AA and Homelan that also.

(It's a shame that my children and other members of dow children can only play on our servers and not the official servers due to all the BS that goes on out there in AA land.

We have harsh and swift repercussions for any rule breakers. That's our business.

But please feel free to continue your I'm so hurt and displease campaign as most of us are finding it amusing to say the least.

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Side note:
Now if we could just get some AA admins that were this swift and harsh and followed their own rules, we'd be set for a good game.

Ohh, one other thing.. You do not get honor on a cheat server, DuH!.

[Acedeal]

FROM -=[10thSFG]=-Phantom
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Posted: 2003-02-04 03:57:18
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If a clan owns/leases a server, then they may and WILL play favorites.
Your precious rules even play favorites:
"8. a member of the [vbi] clan can request the banning of a user of the server for NO REASON. as a member of the clan it is their right to do so."
My clan pays almost $200/month for a high speed server through SCI, and we have our own rules. One of those rules is, since we pay for it, our members get preference over other players for spots on the server. If the server is full and a 10thSFG member joins, we ask someone to leave, and if no one volunteers, we kick the person with the highest ROE.
Now, you mentioned they were cheating. If so, then you should have quietly contacted one of the DoW admins through their web site. Almost all clans have rules against cheating. The 10thSFG recently KICKED OUT and BANNED one of OUR MEMBERS because he was found to be using cheats (http://10thsfg.pa.net/php_files/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1604).
Now, we've had our disagreements with DoW, but I will back them on this. Question the server admin's authority, and you're asking to be banned. Try to votekick a member of the clan that owns the server? You'll be banned.
Consider clan servers private property, you are allowed to visit, but if you misbehave you will be asked to leave, or removed forcefully.
If we go by your ideas, then if I come to your house and start raiding your refrigerator, taking all your food so your family can't eat, then you have no right to call the police, because my right to eat your food is just as important as your family's right, even though you own the house.
_________________
Just play the @#$! game.

[Acedeal]

FROM MSCHADT
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Posted: 2003-02-04 04:06:34
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Well the “imbecilic Liar” speaks I'm only sorry I was unable to throw my two cents in on this sooner.

I am the admin/server owner that banned you from -=DoW_II=-. You say I was on the server for a while allowing 2 "friends" to violate the rules. First off how do you know that I was on the server for so long? And as it happens I had just come in a minute or so before I kicked you. Because I saw that someone had cheated a S.A.W. The two friends you speak of I had never seen on a -=DoW=- before or any other server for that matter. And as far as what they were doing before I joined I have no idea. What I do know is that when I came in the dead where complaining about you violating the rules. At which point I switched on to you and saw that you where firing a S.A.W. towards the center hill. You where kicked for having and shooting a S.A.W. (well in admin view it appears as an RPK). You were not kicked for any other reason! You then came back to the server and questioned as to why you had been kicked, after explaining my reasons you female dogged and moaned much the same way as you did in your email. You seem to be more upset that I did not ban an individual you accuse of violating the rules. He very well might have but I will NOT kick and/or ban an individual purely based on accusations. And I did see you violating the rules. And as it turns out one of the players you listed continued playing on the server for quit a while that night without violating any rules. Had I seen anyone besides you violate any rules they would have been kicked just as you were. Almost forgot you said you had tried to Vote kick someone for cheating I’m sure that if anyone that was on the server that night finds this they back me up when I say it was me you tried to vote kick!! It is common for a player to do ‘vote kick 0’ in order to find out if there is an admin on the server. That alone would have been enough for me to ban you but no I chose to allow you to stay, up until I saw that you were violating the rules which are stated in the server name: “-=DoW_II=- (Sniper Rifles Only) http://www.dow-sniper.net/ (for rules and pass)”. And further more the software might belong to the United States Army but the box that is running that software belongs to me and as such I can and will block anyone I want from entering my property. And having seen an abnormal number of pings from your ISP I have chosen to block your entire ISP from being able to see my server.

Have a nice day

-=DoW=-_Mschadt

[Acedeal]

FROM -(Oc)-WFD1566
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Posted: 2003-02-04 04:15:52
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Hey VBI we now heard from the person who kicked you and since we know how Dow operates and how fair their admins are with people and you really have to do something stupid like use an auto to get kicked. What do have to say for yourself. Wait what is thatI hear (chirp chirp) silence? I think at this point you should just put your tail between your legs and walk away. Again have a pleasent night...

[Acedeal]

FROM -=DoW=- Smokierat
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Posted: 2003-02-04 04:35:48
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I'm sure he's speechless with rage...or stupidity.

[Acedeal]

FROM ACEDEAL
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AS i told him in one of my notes, I think he shot his self in the foot on this one..

Also, let's get some nomenclature correct..
Cheating on the server does not mean CHEATING.. You have to use MPCHEAT CHANGECLASS S / or SVD / or MOS, etc to get the sniper weps.. When we say cheating a weapon, we mean using the MPCHEAT, as that is the only way to get the sniper only server to be sniper only.

WE we say we do not tolerate CHEATING, we mean AIM BOTs NO FOG, those type cheats.

Well anyway, I tried to warn the little guy that this was not the best way to handle his issues, I knew that if he came here and cried about it, he'd go down in flames..

"who's ship is sninking now brother" :)

Boy when we come out from our little corner of the forest, you better be well armed.
We may not be liked by many, but you can damn well bet we are respected for the way we run our servers.

[Acedeal]

FROM -(Oc)-MrRadiks
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Posted: 2003-02-04 05:59:53
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i will admit i havent read this HOLE post becuase it is so big and i am very busy building a website, but i had 2 choices when i wanted to join clans it was DoW and Oc i only picked Oc becuase it wasnt a sniper only clan. i didint feel that i had the abilitys yet to be a sniper clan member.. i found that they are a great group of people heck one of them got my little sis preg and is being very responsble about it.. i will leave him nameless.. but my simple statment.. private is private it has nothing todo with anyone else thats why its PRIVATE! every dow member i have ever met i have respected becuase they showed me respect.. every group bickers every group fights if they didint somthen would be wrong.. i have been with many clans and groups along my way and ones that didint bicker of fight never lasted long.. as much as we hate war and fighting in this world its one of the few things that push us forward.. with out our competivness spirt we wouldnt have made it to the moon! and these games wouldnt be here!! no mater what is said or done.. all comes down to the same thing, we are all humans we all fight bicker and compete with each other its what makes our world go round and sadly our lives work.. with out the drive to have more we would never have any thing.. this is what bases people to have private servers becuase they want to have what is theres and what they can have.. some times people get rubed the wrong way some times things happen.. live with it and move on.. the only thing you can ever do is what all humans can do.. prove you are better and move on.. it hurts me every time i here of people fighting and bickering but you know what its what happens, so please people if you get hurt.. state your case state your make your self herd once and leave it at that if people request explination give it.. but give it peacfuly as can be.. becuase even tought fighting is what makes us us.. to much gets you NO PLACE! at all be wise be smart becuase stupitiy gets you no where..

[Acedeal]

FROM KRYTEN121
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Posted: 2003-02-04 06:15:30
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On 2003-02-03 19:20:20, VBI wrote:
-=DOW=- clan should be shut down by AA, and their gamespy authorisation should be removed.


Ummm under who's authority do you make these decisions?


On 2003-02-03 19:20:20, VBI wrote:
But there has to be a standard, that all ADMINS regardless of Private, or Official, has to abide by.


And banning for no reason, as set by your clans rules (Rule 8)

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On 2003-02-03 19:20:20, VBI wrote:
..and that I would ban any -=DOW=- clan member from my server without cause for his ADMINS actions.
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For all your moaning and complaing about being banned, which we later learn is because you were breaking the rules yourself, you now state that you will ban, onsight any -=DoW=- members that appear on your server. Your actions in that statement itself contradict the very reason you are here "A common ground for all server admins, regardless of wether they are SCI, Homeland or Private", Banning people because you have a grudge against the Clan founder and one our fine Admins, buy hey its your clans server you do what you wish with it! Not that I would ever want to go onto a clans server that allows people to be banned for no less reason than a clan members say so!


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On 2003-02-03 19:20:20, VBI wrote:
Now here is my point to you all:
The AA game, and this community are much more than the sum of those to words "Game, Community" MANY of us are Active, Former, Retired, Future, or family of all the above military. To allow this type of blatant "Slap" from the -=DOW=- People, and to let them think they are above the rules is a dishonor to everything this game is about. For them to even think they are above those rules shows they have no Honor, Integrity, Loyalty, and have no respect for the game anyway.
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Now your just talking crap, Many of our members are veterans, CO's, Enlisted, Retired and thinking about enlisting. And I assure you, your actions today disgust all of them!


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On 2003-02-03 19:20:20, VBI wrote:
So again I ask you please do not patron their website, their servers, or allow their members to patron any of yours as well.

Thank you for your time.

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If anyone listens to your pathetic, hypocritical outburst and goes ahead and bans -=DoW=- members from its servers then I am sure none of -=DoW=- are going to want to play of those servers anyway!

Get a life and stop trying to run other peoples affairs, what happens on OUR servers is our business and noone elses, same thing applies to your server!

[Acedeal]

FROM -][HALO][-SpyHawk
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< S >

Here Here...MrRadiks!

Although I do believe that private servers are your own business. This bickering should stop. You’re only fueling the fire which is warming the enemy. And in no way can you dump so much fuel on that fire where it will not just warm but burn them as well. I've seen professionalism come from both DOW and OC. As we HALO used them as a guide during the early months of our squad. Thanks to the influence from both we are now where we are, and we are now achieving many goals. These needless attacks on people for entertainment are not necessary. Step up and be the better man. Not by impregnating MrRadiks little sister :) :) J/K..lol, but by continuing on with our lives and not dragging this on. I do understand how it must be while away from the eyes of the public but ignore and move on.

[Acedeal]

FROM SHUR
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Posted: 2003-02-04 06:21:31
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Hey. Just read this and wanted to thank everyone for the good laughs. I am not a -=DoW=- member, but I play frequently on the -=DoW=- servers.

Okay... There are no reasons for anyone to play on a cheat enabled Clan Server that cares about Honor or Points, etc. You can't gain honor on unofficial servers, so the only reason is because you want to play with a clan. Or play on a cheat enabled server.

I have been playing on -=DoW=- servers for about 3-4 months now. Also, I have met a few of the Admins (I have also sniped a few Admins :)). This is a "Sniper Only Server" (it says so in the title). Besides the server being owned and operated by a clan, and the title of the server being obvious that it was a cheat enabled server, and the fact that cheat codes are enabled, why did you want to play on this server?

Also, isn't the URL of the -=DoW=- web site part of the title of the server still? At least it used to be.

I remember the first time I saw the DoW server in the game listings. When I saw the title of the server, I also saw the URL. So I went to the web site and read the server rules. Afterwards, I came back and started playing. Furthermore, everyone in my first games where very helpful.

Also, every "first time DoW player" (newbie to DoW server) that has every asked for help or any other question in game, all of the players that I play with and against have helped with the commands or answered their questions.

-=DoW=- is a respectable AA clan. The server admins (and players) run the -=DoW=- servers based on the server rules. Even I have started and participated in dozens of votekicks for players purposely going against the rules (after being warned numerous times). I have even TK'd on DoW servers when these players just won't listen or abide by the server rules. Many other non-Admins will do the same to people violating the server rules. DoW provides a great service to their members and fellow AA players and myself and many, many others respect that and will help them enforce any server rules.

I think that if anyone plays on a clan server, then you should either ask why everyone else on the server is doing something or not play on the server. Once you see 7 other people mpcheat changeclass to sniper classes, then it is pretty obvisous what is going on...

-Shur

P.S. former Marine


[ This Message was edited by: Shur on 2003-02-04 06:23:04 ]

[Acedeal]

FROM SMOKE M
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Posted: 2003-02-04 06:31:31
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I couldn't help but notice the many posts made to the thread, so I thought I would give my opinion of things as I see them.


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VBI I know as private server owners there is somewhat of a line that is drawn between what is the "AA Way" and what is the "private server way". But there has to be a standard, that all ADMINS regardless of Private, or Official, has to abide by.

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It's very odd to come to an environment based on the military code of conduct and have things such as honor, and integrity taken so lightly. I believe what VBI is pointing out here is that the admins of DOW don't seem to play fair. Then reading through all of the posts it was made very clear by -=DOW=- Acedeal that this is exactly the case in point.


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Acedeal... The ban follows you where ever you go. I do not know all the details of your episode, nor am I likely to check into it after this.

You Leave X server (more like banned from X server), show up on Y server. Admin A tells Admin B, he just banned you. Admin B hit's Ban Button.. End of the damn story.
(Little secret for the wise.. Admins run the game in window mode, and uses IRC and other means to chat with each other while game is going.)

IN A NUT SHELL, MY ADMINs DO NOT DISCUSS BANS, KICKS, OR anything else pertaining to why you just got kicked or have long drawn out discussions of that nature on the servers PERIOD!!.

Admins do not chit-chat with you about the rules, or other issues of the day. Admins are there for one reason and one reason only. (To Keep the lamers off).

My Admins do not argue with nor will be argued to on any server. Not good for the game, not good for the other players.
IF admin kicks you and you come back on, he will give short explanation as to why.
Then minute you begin to argue with, or have issue with that, you are kicked again or banned. (You people fail to realize that you get kicked off, so freaking what,, you lost 30 secs of time, you come back, play by the rules and move on... NO harm no Foul.

But the minute you start to type out the your reasoning for failure to follow "OUR RULES", your gone. We do not care that you do not know our rules... SEE THE SERVER TITLE FOR WEB ADDRESS ABOUT THE RULES.
It is your responsibility to know
"OUR HOUSE" rules.
Let me repeat, "OUR HOUSE", not yours, not AA, Not Homelan, but -=DOW=-'s

Our rules have the resources to make them mean something.
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You mention your reputation for being a hard a$$, from the looks of things you could simply leave the hard part out.



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VBI... I recieved a return message from the -=DOW=- owner a few minutes ago. He details to me that because he is a PRIVATE server owner he does not have to Recognise, Abide by, or in anyway conform to the standards set forth by AA, HomeLan, GameSpy, or the spirit of the game in general.

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VBI's statement is supported by the previous Acedeal post. Does this mean that because someone buys a franchise and they are a private owner they can choose who they are going to service and who they are not? By agreeing to the terms of running an AA server you most certainly are entitled to run the server to the guidelines of AA. It may be your house -=DOW=- but you are a part of a community, not your own entity. If you want to have your own private party with your own rules and your own code of ethics, then go design your own software and run your own game. You don't get to have the benefit of belonging to something and then disregarding that very thing you belong to. You are running an AA server regardless of who purchased that server. American Army may just be a gimmick to some, however, to others it's the feeling of a commaradarie and brotherhood that some of us may have once belonged.


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VBI... He was quite ticked off because I informed him that I would be informing members of my clan [VBI]Clan not to use his server, that I would solicit support on other servers for users not to visit his server, and that I would ban any -=DOW=- clan member from my server without cause for his ADMINS actions.
He flaunted his disrespect for the rules or AA, and the spirit of the game by saying "Please contact whomever you like at the UoH. Here are a few other website that you can post your complaints on.
http://www.americasarmy.com/, http://www.aafiles.com/, http://www.aaextreme.com/, etc, etc. We at
DoW love the free advertising."

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I would support this fully, why wouldn't you inform your fellow players to stay away from an unfair playing field?


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VBI... Now here is my point to you all: There has to be a common ground between the Official Servers and the Private Servers. I have a list of rules for my server posted on our website for all the world to see and I expect them to be followed to the LETTER for everyone, not just a certain few. ADMINS should bot be allowed to "overlook" actions by their friends.

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I believe everyone would agree that when you take the position of admin, you are to give every person on that server the same respect and justice.


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VBI... I would like to ask that everyone please avoid the -=DOW=- servers in a show of support. To show them that just because they "own" the server, they are not above the rules of the game in which they play.
The AA game, and this community are much more than the sum of those to words "Game, Community" MANY of us are Active, Former, Retired, Future, or family of all the above military. To allow this type of blatant "Slap" from the -=DOW=- People, and to let them think they are above the rules is a dishonor to everything this game is about. For them to even think they are above those rules shows they have no Honor, Integrity, Loyalty, and have no respect for the game anyway. So again I ask you please do not patron their website, their servers, or allow their members to patron any of yours as well.

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I believe I already commented and would have to give you my support as a fellow AA player.


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8. a member of the [vbi] clan can request the banning of a user of the server for NO REASON. as a member of the clan it is their right to do so.

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I believe the definition of request means to ask for; maybe you have assumed it means all requests will be granted?


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10thSFG... If we go by your ideas, then if I come to your house and start raiding your refrigerator, taking all your food so your family can't eat, then you have no right to call the police, because my right to eat your food is just as important as your family's right, even though you own the house.

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How exactly did you wind up in the refrigerator when the issue is equality, not looting, or pilaging?

And I can't end without mentioning how nice it must be to run with people who think that someone getting their little sister pregnant is something to use as a measure of respect, simply because the guy is taking responsibility for it. Possibly the respectable thing would of been making sure she didn't get pregnant in the first place. And just curious why would you even bring this up in this thread?

I'm afraid I am taking the side of the wronged on this one.

[Acedeal]

FROM KRYTEN121
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Posted: 2003-02-04 07:13:13
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I have to say SmokeM that you are assuming that everything that VBI is saying is 100% the truth. This is never the case in any thing there is often 2 sides rarely does 100% of the truth ever comeout, most often I would say it is only 60% of the truth. 30% from each side!

"Assumption is the mother of all fu*k ups!"

I can assure you 100% that admins are fair, I am one of them, if you cannot follow the rules set down very very clearly then what right to you have to be on that server, none!

For that matter what right do you have to be on someone else's server period? None!

Playing on a private server is a privilage not a right, its their bandwidth!

Have you played on our servers? Have you experienced problems with our admins? We have had hundreds maybe thousands of people that have played on our servers since they started and we have a very very small ammount of severe complaints.

The -=DoW=- Servers area very fair playing field if you follow the rules. Is reading and following a simple set of rules that difficult, I think not!

We give everyone the same level of respect as server admin's, we not hesitate to kick or ban any -=DoW=- member that violates our server rules, however there hasn't been 1 -=DoW=- Member that has broken the rules and I am confident that not one of our members would ever break one of our rules!


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I'm afraid I am taking the side of the wronged on this one.


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Why are you afraid? Thats a very bizarre statement to make! What makes you so sure VBI is the wronged party here?

If you where to read all the posts correctly Acedeal said he would have investigated the matter had it not been for VBI's capslock impaired e-mail containg threats.

I believe VBI misunderstood the situation and that has lead us to here!

[Acedeal]

FROM ACEDEAL
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Posted: 2003-02-04 08:07:44
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SmokeM.

Ok, you win, yeppers I must confess and I concede, I am an A$$, Not just a small one, but a Major One at that.

Anything else, you'd like to input on this issue that has any real substance??

Well let's make a case in point shall we? I fail to see anywhere in your quote that has anything to do with Fair Play, Honor, or what ever your point you were making!

My comments added in the [ brackets]. does not show up well,,sorry.


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It's very odd to come to an environment based on the military code of conduct and have things such as honor, and integrity taken so lightly. I believe what VBI is pointing out here is that the admins of DOW don't seem to play fair. Then reading through all of the posts it was made very clear by -=DOW=- Acedeal that this is exactly the case in point.
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Acedeal... The ban follows you where ever you go. I do not know all the details of your episode, nor am I likely to check into it after this.

[He screw'd the pooch on this one, so no I will not be wasting time to check into it. But I will play in here as this is fun

You Leave X server (more like banned from X server), show up on Y server. Admin A tells Admin B, he just banned you. Admin B hit's Ban Button.. End of the damn story.
(Little secret for the wise.. Admins run the game in window mode, and uses IRC and other means to chat with each other while game is going.)

He was banned on Server II . Banned followed him to Server I. what's your point? That's fair play, you get banned on 1 server you are banned on all 10 + servers

IN A NUT SHELL, MY ADMINs DO NOT DISCUSS BANS, KICKS, OR anything else pertaining to why you just got kicked or have long drawn out discussions of that nature on the servers PERIOD!!.

No need to listen to it. Other Users do not care about the whining, that's reason we have forums and contact forms. But opps there's that Rule thing agin.. Darn Don't ya just hate rules!

Admins do not chit-chat with you about the rules, or other issues of the day. Admins are there for one reason and one reason only. (To Keep the lamers off).

Nothing here to be said, or in your opinion an admin should shoot the bull in those red (or whatever happens to be the hud color) for hours on end, distacting from game play?

My Admins do not argue with nor will be argued to on any server. Not good for the game, not good for the other players.
IF admin kicks you and you come back on, he will give short explanation as to why.
Then minute you begin to argue with, or have issue with that, you are kicked again or banned. (You people fail to realize that you get kicked off, so freaking what,, you lost 30 secs of time, you come back, play by the rules and move on... NO harm no Foul.

hmm nothing here about fair play either, so I still have not found your point. Admins do not argue with anyone, no point. Kick / ban move on user can post his gripe in the forums or note to me. There's that Nasty thing called rules again. But he was kick, all he has to do is follow the rules.. Dang, theres that nasty word again. ]

But the minute you start to type out the your reasoning for failure to follow "OUR RULES", your gone. We do not care that you do not know our rules... SEE THE SERVER TITLE FOR WEB ADDRESS ABOUT THE RULES.
It is your responsibility to know
"OUR HOUSE" rules.
Let me repeat, "OUR HOUSE", not yours, not AA, Not Homelan, but -=DOW=-'s

Server House rule, Argue with admin, your gone, biatch to admin, your gone.. Still have not found that point on fair play..Shall we continue? Sure why not

Our rules have the resources to make them mean something.

We do, but once again, I fail to see that you have made your case or point, as to what that quote has anything to do with Honor / Fair Play. Sorry you can not understand the meaning of those rules. Those rules are not laid out for the rule breakers but for the ones that follow the rules. No one wants to see, hear, some lamer belly-aching on the server screen about why he just got kicked.. Read above what have ya lost 30 secs??
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Well SmokeM..
i'll give ya another chance, as this is fun.
Where exaclty in that statement does it say that I do not agree to fair play? It states that there will not be any long drawn out discussion on our servers about why you were kicked, banned, etc.

To bad that we do not want your moaning and whining to interfer with the other gamers (That follow the rules) while you belly-ache about not knowing the rules. Hit the website come back and play by the rules.

Anything else SmokeM? Or how about using you real name next time :)..

I stand by those rules as I have laid out. They allow 100% game enjoyment for 1000's of people that have played on our servers.

Servers are Kid Safe, Cuss and Cheat Free. You will never find an admin having an arguement with some PO'd user(s). No user is going to have an argument with an Admin there-by distracting the game for everyone else.. Looks to me like that's fair play for the ones that know the Rules..Ouch,,Theres that nasty word again.

So if you have anything else to add about fair play, I suggest you get your facts correct. And point me and our users to another place where we can play without all the BS that happens on the other 100% of the "Offical Servers"..

Or rules are enforced evenly and faily to everyone. These rules have been in place since July. We cut no slack to anyone. DoW members included.
Granted we take our rules very serious. But you'll not find another server out there where you can turn you children lose. We will not have 1 person moaning during the game about our rules ruining the game for everyone else.

We have simple rules, and those rules will be followed. And the processes that are in place to follow up with your complaints will be followed and not done on the servers.
Have a problem with that? Do not come over and play in our sandbox..
Sent me some threat about how you got banned and now you are going to whine to everyone that will listen. And I will respond in Kind. End Of story..

next..........

[Acedeal]

FROM SMOKE M
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Posted: 2003-02-04 09:41:13
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My real name? Not sure I follow you there, I have a name for this forum... just joined up as you can see on my post. You must be confused after trying to search for the obvious. Fair play, meaning you kick ALL players when they are doing wrong, not just the one you don't know. Seeing that you are so enamored by the word Rule.... why not follow them.

[Acedeal]

FROM VBI
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Posted: 2003-02-04 14:00:33
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[Well the “imbecilic Liar” speaks I'm only sorry I was unable to throw my two cents in on this sooner.

I am the admin/server owner that banned you from -=DoW_II=-. You say I was on the server for a while allowing 2 "friends" to violate the rules. First off how do you know that I was on the server for so long? And as it happens I had just come in a minute or so before I kicked you. Because I saw that someone had cheated a S.A.W. The two friends you speak of I had never seen on a -=DoW=- before or any other server for that matter. And as far as what they were doing before I joined I have no idea. What I do know is that when I came in the dead where complaining about you violating the rules. At which point I switched on to you and saw that you where firing a S.A.W. towards the center hill. You where kicked for having and shooting a S.A.W. (well in admin view it appears as an RPK). You were not kicked for any other reason! You then came back to the server and questioned as to why you had been kicked, after explaining my reasons you female dogged and moaned much the same way as you did in your email. You seem to be more upset that I did not ban an individual you accuse of violating the rules. He very well might have but I will NOT kick and/or ban an individual purely based on accusations. And I did see you violating the rules. And as it turns out one of the players you listed continued playing on the server for quit a while that night without violating any rules. Had I seen anyone besides you violate any rules they would have been kicked just as you were. Almost forgot you said you had tried to Vote kick someone for cheating I’m sure that if anyone that was on the server that night finds this they back me up when I say it was me you tried to vote kick!! It is common for a player to do ‘vote kick 0’ in order to find out if there is an admin on the server. That alone would have been enough for me to ban you but no I chose to allow you to stay, up until I saw that you were violating the rules which are stated in the server name: “-=DoW_II=- (Sniper Rifles Only) http://www.dow-sniper.net/ (for rules and pass)”. And further more the software might belong to the United States Army but the box that is running that software belongs to me and as such I can and will block anyone I want from entering my property. And having seen an abnormal number of pings from your ISP I have chosen to block your entire ISP from being able to see my server.

Have a nice day

-=DoW=-_Mschadt]

You are a LIAR
And I would be HAPPY to stand in your face and call you one!

-=DoW=- I ADDED THAT RULE TO MY SERVER SHEET, AFTER THE ACTIONS OF YOUR IDIOT ADMINS......to prove a point. It worked too, you try to use everything a person does to contradict your own blatant abuse of the situation. You are the one who states on YOUR webpage, and in YOUR e-mail that "Non one has any rights, nada, zero, zip, this is my server and will do what I please"......So what is good for you is not good for everyone else? You presume that you are the ONLY person allowed to give members or YOUR clan an advantage over everyone else? No one else but you, can alter the playing field to support their members?...........you are a joke, a pathetic joke at that.....go to the kicthen and get me a beer, and I might give you a tip later sissy.

VBI

[Acedeal]

FROM VBI
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Posted: 2003-02-04 14:34:28
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I am also at odds over the issue of "You ASSUME I AM TELLING THE TRUTH"?
I came here, and I started this thread. I came here and I told what happened. I came here and I forced this issue. I went to THEIR website and took the time to make the entry in their guestbook, and send the owner a private message.
It is obvious that NONE of them would have ever said a word or thought twice about kicking, and or banning a lone player in the scheme of thier big gaming world. No one would have ever heard a word about this. If I had not said something.
Now because the two of them come in here and twist conversations, try to ridicule me, and or the topics made.....and because they have been in this community since July, that makes them right?........Wrong!
I am an AMERICAN, this is an AMERICAN game, and I have rights that can not be revolked. A NUMREO UNO RIGHT.....I AM INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. I say things happened EXACLY the way I posted them. He and the ADMIN say otherwise. I SAY PROVE IT!. Give an outside party the right to examine the "UNALTERED" server logs for that morning.
But none of that is goin to happen, because for one thing it is not that important of an issue.....it is after all a game. I do not intend on returning to his crooked, fixed, biased, favorite playing establishments. He has his idea of a fair game I have mine. I base mine on common courtesy, and basic human rights. He bases his on whatever ADMIN, or buddy he has playing on the server at the time is.

Just because I am the only person who has thought this is important enough to create a post about......does not mean I am the only person it has aver happened to. I know for a fact from private e-mails in the last 24 hours.....that is not so -=DoW=- you should watch your back.....some of your clan are not as loyal as you think they are, people do talk.........

I loved how you tried to belittle that person who posted in defense of me there -=DoW=-......that was real big of you......they never attacked you, or commented on you in a derogetory way, yet you tried to belittle them as if they were a bum you were stepping over.......that was really.......ummmmmm well what was that, I mean it sure was not fair, or open, or considerate. I guess cause they were not in your clan (or were they ;)), they just did not deserve your respect.
-=DoW=- you are manipulative, you are most asuredly proven to be a hipocrite, your clans idea of fairness to others is a joke. Your ADMINs are liars. I have done what I said I would. It may not go anywhere. Nothing may ever be done to you because of me. But you can bet the next person you treat unfairly, and has the courage to stand up and post outloud, and stem the tide of your ridicule.....when that person makes the complaint; it will do a lot of good......because people will have already been watching.

VBI

[Acedeal]

FROM VICKY23
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Why can't you just move on and forget about it? You were banned on a few private, (no honor gaining) servers....so what? Just play on the Offical servers or someother servers. What is the big deal here?

You should be thankful it was a PRIVATE server you were kicked from and not the public servers, because the way you are complaining here, Homelan would have banned your forum account by now, and blocked your ISP from AA:O and the forums. (remember VVizzard or BG anyone?)

I don't see the logic in this. If the server was full and they kicked you to make room for one of their clanmates that wanted to play, I surmise you would be doing the same thing you are now.

Their server, their rules. They can kick whom they wish without question. Why is that so hard to understand.

[ This Message was edited by: Vicky23 on 2003-02-04 14:48:10 ]

[Acedeal]

FROM VBI
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Posted: 2003-02-04 14:55:11
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Because it is WRONG!
Why can't you understand that?

I guess the idea of right and wrong, means nothing to many of you people.....but to me it does.

Since my game play is always the same, I have never done anything to be banned from an Official server, and I did nothing to be banned from the -=DoW=- servers either.

If you want to move on please do so, as I said before, no one forces you to come to this thread.....so just pass it by.

VBI

[Acedeal]

FROM VICKY23
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I am not going to pass it on by. No one asked you to post your complaint either but you did. Now why would you want me to quit posting? Just because I don't agree or see eye-to-eye with you? That is America, the land I became a citizen of. The right to voice my opinion against yours.

So no, I will not go away.

The simple fact is...so you were treated 'unfairly', ok, deal with it and move on.

You broke the rules (you said so yourself), you were caught and banned. The admins talked to each other in IRC or AIM, and the Bridge admin found out you were banned. So he kicked you.

Then it's stated that there are an unusually high number of pings coming from your IP to the server (hint hint, DoS attack).

Now, you happen to think I don't know the difference between right and wrong.. Lets look at what happened.

1) you were kicked for using a saw (You were in the wrong)
2) You came back to complain (You were in the wrong. You failed to read the server rules when you joined..more on this later)
3) You went to another DoW server (You were in the wrong. Again, the rules)
4) You started a public crusade to discredit a clan (You are in the wrong again. How would you care for someone to start a thread about how you use a wallhack or aimbot?)
5) You threatened the admins instead of reasoning with them (You were in the wrong. Being curtious gets you farther in the world BTW)
6) You tell people that don't have your view on this matter to stop posting (You are in the wrong. Public forum. You post someing, everyone has the right to respond to it and voice what ever opinions they have.)


Now back to the rules. You didn't read the server rules before you joined. If you had you would have known what was expected. You choose to break them.

Now pleading ignorance of the rules doesn't work. Try pleading ignorance to a cop when you are caught speeding. Ignorance is not a valid defense, and it was your responsibilty to know all the laws before you drove (joined the server.)

[Acedeal]

FROM SMOKE M
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Posted: 2003-02-04 15:09:31
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I loved how you tried to belittle that person who posted in defense of me there -=DoW=-......that was real big of you......they never attacked you, or commented on you in a derogetory way, yet you tried to belittle them as if they were a bum you were stepping over.......that was really.......ummmmmm well what was that, I mean it sure was not fair, or open, or considerate. I guess cause they were not in your clan (or were they ;)), they just did not deserve your respect.
-=DoW=- you are manipulative, you are most asuredly proven to be a hipocrite, your clans idea of fairness to others is a joke. Your ADMINs are liars. I have done what I said I would. It may not go anywhere. Nothing may ever be done to you because of me. But you can bet the next person you treat unfairly, and has the courage to stand up and post outloud, and stem the tide of your ridicule.....when that person makes the complaint; it will do a lot of good......because people will have already been watching.

VBI


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As you were gentlemen

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Okay so I stayed interested in this thread... You would think that this type of gaming community would show more people willing to stand-up and lead. I honor your tenacity VBI, and allowing others to see that they do not have to 'accept' the prejudiced actions of clans, simply because they own the hardware. This game is a true representation of the armed services. I'd bet my last dollar you would not of told your commanding officer, "I bought this uniform so I'll damned well do what I want when I'm wearing it. It may say 'Army' but I paid for it and it's mine to do with however I see fit." Or maybe that's exactly what you did and you couldn't cut it and were gone in four short years. (didn't really commit to memory your length of service). Hooooahhhh!!! VBI and maybe more of those voices you are hearing in your pm's will have the courage to stand-up and be noticed.


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Vicky Why can't you just move on and forget about it? You were banned on a few private, (no honor gaining) servers....so what? Just play on the Offical servers or someother servers. What is the big deal here?

You should be thankful it was a PRIVATE server you were kicked from

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Vicky do you understand the meaning of right and wrong? VBI should be THANKFUL he was treated unjustly? I believe all of you are missing the point here. VBI is not berating the fact that there are rules on a private server. VBI is pointing out the 'unjust' 'prejudiced' 'unfair' behavior. I read these posts and the majority of you seem to be missing the whole thought here. VBI never said, you can't have your own rules on your own server. His opening post talked about the UNFAIR decision of when to use those rules and when not to.

I'd hate to live in a country that ya'll were leading or should I rather say NOT leading.

[Acedeal]

FROM VBI
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Posted: 2003-02-04 15:23:43
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Vicky
[Why can't you just move on and forget about it? You were banned on a few private, (no honor gaining) servers....so what? Just play on the Offical servers or someother servers. What is the big deal here?]

YOU SAID THAT RIGHT?

So you expect me to shut up and end my own topic thread? but when I tell you "no one forces you to be here, and you are free to ignore it" I am wrong?....are you that ignorant, or do you not know the meaning of an oxymoron?

I will tell you for the LAST TIME....so listen close.
I was not "using" a saw.....when i was banned from the "Mountain Pass" server......regardless of what you are blindly willing to believe, and follow.
I NEVER left the drop zone of the "Bridge" server. I started talking to the admin there IN THE MIDDLE OF A GAME.....meaning I came in while a game was in progress. The next game started while I was there.....I was there for one purpose TO TALK TO THE ADMIN. The admin in turn had been talking to me.....DO YOU UNDERSTAND?.......I was kicked and banned at the EXACT instance I told the admin I want to make a complaint about the admin in the OTHER server......DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
Now you can believe, listen to, or take sides with whomever you wish that is YOUR RIGHT. But do not presume to come to this thread and tell me to "MOVE ON", and then in the same breath tell me "YOU DO NOT HAVE TO"....that was totally retarded, I am still trying to figure out the logic in that. You do not want me to talk about it anymore, because you are tired of hearing about it.....but you want to come here and see what I say, and get pissy because I said you are free to go elsewhere and not look at it?
If I did not post anymore about it......what would you be comming here to look at?......LMFAO "Heres your sign"

VBI

[Acedeal]

FROM Vicky23

Posted: 2003-02-04 15:25:06
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My thought is...try playing with http://myg0t.com/ some time if you think DOW is unfair.

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I never said ALL site rules should be the same. I said that ALL RULES on a server should apply to ALL PEOPLE EQUALLY
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They do. The admin didn't see the other player breaking the rules as he wasn't there at the time. He saw YOU break the rules and kicked you. You came back to whine, you were banned. Server rules stated this was going to be the response of what you did. Common sense right?


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Vicky do you understand the meaning of right and wrong? VBI should be THANKFUL he was treated unjustly? I believe all of you are missing the point here.
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No you are missing the point. I said he should be glad it's a private not a public ban. How about reading my entire post instead of being a politian and quoting only part of a sentance, thus making me look bad.

You quoted me on saying everything up until the *** ok..

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You should be thankful it was a PRIVATE server you were kicked from ***** and not the public servers, because the way you are complaining here, Homelan would have banned your forum account by now, and blocked your ISP from AA:O and the forums. (remember VVizzard or BG anyone?) *******
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See, it makes a difference when read all together.


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His opening post talked about the UNFAIR decision of when to use those rules and when not to.
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So what do you want? A rulebook for the private servers? Private admins do what they want on their servers. I ban on my server for excessive swearing. You get two warnings, a kick, then a ban. Does that mean that if someone is being excessive, I warn once and then they become abusive, I don't have the right to ban them without a kick or second warning?

He broke the rules. He was banned. Case closed.

[Acedeal]

FROM VICKY23
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Posted: 2003-02-04 15:34:18
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I do like what you have to say. This is comic relief for me even though it hurts a bit to laugh.

Ok, I was not telling to to stop posting, I just didn't understand why it was so big of a deal that you need to bring it to the forums.

You have the right to post, but remember that trying to discredit someone without PROOF has left more then one person in a bad way here on these forums. Do you have screenshots of them cheating? Do you have shots of the admin booting you?

You can post, as can I. I have not lowered myself to calling you names as you have done with me, nor have I questioned your intelligence as you have done. I simply asked why it was such a big deal.

It's a private server! SO WHAT! I would expect this kind of a post from a PUBLIC server, but homelan, AGA, and the devs aren't going to do anything about private servers.

This is the reason MY server is password protected and the only way on my server is visiting my site, reading the rules and then a java box pops up giving you the ip and password. When someone is on, I know they read the rules so there is no discussion about who is right or wrong.

I almost think that all private servers should be password protected to keep people off them unless they know the rules of those servers.

Anyway, I have physical theropy soon, I may get to read one las humourous response.

[Acedeal]

FROM VBI
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Posted: 2003-02-04 15:36:44
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You say I broke the rules
I did not. You are wrong. Therefore your arguement has no base.......or do you not know what Innocent until proven guilty is....as stated in previous post.

By the way I have a T1 connection.....the comment about HIGH PING TIMES was another false claim.....try again. By the way you can not run a DoS attack from the same IP on the same machine while in a game using the same ports......it does not work that way....so Goa Min Asai.......that is japanese for....well you figure it out.

VBI

[Acedeal]

FROM SMOKE M
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Posted: 2003-02-04 15:41:13
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Vicky... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and prove my point again. You say you would ban for excessive swearing, now here's my assumption where you are concerned. You would ban EVERYONE that was excessively swearing. This is not what happened so stop talking about the rules of a private server. This is NOT what this is about. As an admin use your own application of when you do and don't ban someone. E Q U A L I T Y... I'll say it again.. E Q U A L I T Y.

[Acedeal]

FROM VBI
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Posted: 2003-02-04 15:42:14
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My Server is password protected as well.....tada, man o man, please say that I am not as smart as someone else in here.....god how wrong would that be.
As for the name calling well you are right I should not have called you a retard......but as for the intelligence.......well the need for the redundant posts covers that issue pretty much.

VBI

[Acedeal]

FROM VICKY23
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Posted: 2003-02-04 15:45:50
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The level of maturity here is lacking. I will stick with treating you with respect, you can continue to disrespect me. That's fine.

Also, I find it interesting you and Smoke have almost the same writing style. Humm.
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[Acedeal]

FROM SMOKE M
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Posted: 2003-02-04 15:56:12
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I wish you people would stop with the innuendos. I am not VBI, we might share the same opinion, but I am not the same person. Is it that hard to believe someone might agree with him?

Maturity? What have I said that is immature? We simply don't agree on the subject and I've had to point out what the subject is a few times.

You don't have to respond to the thread, so move on if you feel it's beneath you.

[ This Message was edited by: SmokeM on 2003-02-04 16:00:26 ]

[Acedeal]

FROM VBI
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Posted: 2003-02-04 15:58:59
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Ohhhh
so now I am disguised as two people......TFF.
Can we say "Paranoid" boys and girls.

Ok I am done with you, because all you are doing is moving away from the actual topic which is PLAYER EQUALLITY on servers...no matter who's server.......it seems to me you as a server owner would be supportive and say
"I think that ADMINS on servers should treat everyone equally"......I mean unless you like the idea of people knowing you intend on showing favoritisum over others. <shrugs>
So are you saying you do not intend on treating all players equally?, and that fairplay is not to be expected on your server?

VBI

[Acedeal]

FROM MINDRAKER2
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Posted: 2003-02-04 16:14:20
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VBI:
I wasn't there. I can't judge what "happened" without evidence (screenshots, for example). Nor do I really want to.
However, when a person uses a "non-official server", that person is a guest. You are, and your fellow players, in effect, limited by what the armyops.ini file on a server TELLS you that you can be. And what the Admin tells you that you can be. Whether you like it or not.
If you don't like it, go elsewhere. It's that simple.
And now, I reach for another biscuit...

[Acedeal]

FROM -=DOW=- Bfett22
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Posted: 2003-02-04 16:44:22
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I find it rather amusing that we have a self-proclaimed victim here who wants to say that he is a protector of everybodies rights, yet his own clan(named after himself, hmmm)rules are as "totalitarian", tyrannical, and unfair as he seems to think ours are. Point blank, you came to our house, cheated, got caught, got kicked, wanted to whine and argue, got banned, didn't learn your lesson, tried it in another of our houses, and got banned there.
AceDeal is probably correct in the assumption that the admins were talking via IRC even while you were complaining to the admin on the Bridge server. However, one thing that you failed to mention is that the admin on the Bridge server probably warned you to drop the auto or switch weapons before he kicked you if you weren't doing anything else wrong. Anybody that has played on our servers knows that when an admin is present they are almost always on your back at the start of each rd to change weapons. Many even have a 10 second rule where you are automatically kicked if you haven't changed weapons in 10 seconds, with no questions asked.
So why don't we just admit that you wanna cry because you got caught, and regardless of whether or not there were others cheating that gives you no right to commit another wrong (or does that not fit into your self-deluded, so-called equalitarian psyche), and now you want to complain. If there are other server owners who want to follow your lead, let them. We popularized the trend of sniper-only servers primarily because of the work of our admins, and anyone who spends much time on them knows we abide by and enforce our rules religiously. Those server-owners that follow your lead will find that we really don't care what you think of us, just don't come to our house and try to play the game with any rules other than what we have posted on our website.Our house, our rules.
And as far as the claim that there is no proof against you, well let me work on that a bit. If I can get the proof that you were cheating when you got kicked the first time, then maybe you will take that hardest first step, getting out of denial and admitting you have a problem.

[Acedeal]

FROM KRYTEN22
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Posted: 2003-02-04 17:53:38
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On 2003-02-04 09:41:13, SmokeM wrote:
Fair play, meaning you kick ALL players when they are doing wrong, not just the one you don't know. Seeing that you are so enamored by the word Rule.... why not follow them.
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You both have it all wrong.....
Our servers are always fair, when an admin is on. If people don't follow the rules and there is no admin there, nothing we can do!
If however an admin comes on and see's you not following the rules, even if your not the only one cheating if your seen first your gone first. That's how I would do it!

[Acedeal]

FROM KRYTEN121

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Posted: 2003-02-04 18:15:27
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On 2003-02-04 14:34:28, VBI wrote:
I am an AMERICAN, this is an AMERICAN game, and I have rights that can not be revolked. A NUMREO UNO RIGHT.....I AM INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
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Whoop de fu*king do. You have shown me exactly what type of person you are with this statement, I couldn't care less that your american(I am not), now don't get me wrong I have plenty of american friends and my GF is american and I live and work here.

Where I was born, Americans have a bad reputation, which I feel is unjust, however you VBI with your egotistical, narcissistic, I am american so I am right attitude is exactly the thing that gets other countries to hate americans. Trust me this is fact!

But that type of arrogance shows me what this is all really about, your fuc*ing pride! How it was hurt and how you as an American deserve better. You also say Innocent Until Proven Guilty, fact you weasel same thing applies to -=DoW=- can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything you say actually happened? The answer to that is a big fat Fuc*ing NO!!!
No proof no case. Your comments ammounts to libel, for which we now have solid proof.

What ever you believe VBI, -=DoW=- does treat all of its players the same. Whatever happened to you is a big missunderstanding, nothing more nothing less. Can you atleast accept that?