Thought and god

[RyoxSinfar]

Hate to get theoretical on yins here ;P But as some of you have read or heard from me or my posts. In my spare time (as in walking down the halls between classes at school and the time before I fall asleep) I do thinking stuffs. Alot of thinking thingies. And I finally have a good example, and wrote it down. Since usually when I think of this such and such I forget it in a few minutes or by the time I wanna remember it. SO with this mindset... set, I give you "A look inside my thoughts"


God. Did god make the universe? If so where did god come from? If he always was and always will be, then why can't the universe and matter be the same way? Isn't it more plausible that matter always existed then a sentient being? But wait. God is no being, if god truely exists he would be of pure energy or light, with a mind. And if it is true that the universe constantly expands then compresses, then begins creation over. Wouldn't that mean creation has happened before? What if both are partially right. Scientific and Theism, both having a hand.

From my understanding the highest form we may ever have is that of pure energy. Could it not be that what we percieve as god is nothing but the advancements of tommorow that already came to pass long long ago? Could he or THEY have achieved this power before the universe reset itself? Could not pure energy survive such a powerfull act as creation? Maybe he did not protect himself from it. Maybe it was a direct result of such massive power that he became that which could and would survive.

Well if this is so, how do we know of him? A mind in his position has much time to think, and when has love and kindness failed where it was non corrupt? Perhaps he saw our dark future and decided to help us. One such as that might also have move powers. Maybe even the ability to create? Thou from what I imagine, it would require sacrificing himself to a degree to do so. But what of today and before now. What evidence do we have of his precence now? Well of course nothing for sure. And what I believe is he is no longer with us.

It took us countless years to achieve the state we are in today. The power of evolution is strong and timely. And even today our minds are not near thier potential. But what if oen was to create from nothing, that which takes eons to happen. Might it even take all the power of the most advanced thing ever to be seen? Could he of been in a losing war with his fight to save us? What if what we think Jesus is, is not the son. But the incarnation of he which survived. What if he required more direct persuation in the betterment of man. And as I believe personally, he created the first goodly religion. Not from prophets or from miracles, but of stories and illusions placed to encourage it. Creating the belief of a true god and spreading the word of good. Finally with a finished product and his plans complete he died as the mortal incarnation he had created for himself, maybe even without knowing what he truely was.

So what does this mean to me? Of course I keep my stand of the false creation of a religion, not just to do it. But to do what one man could not, creating a sense of good man needed did not require a god, but the thought of one who is higher than us all. But I take something new from these thoughts. Something being represented that I hold dear. The potential of the mind, and what we truely can achieve.


This of course is not to be taken in as proven word. This is but something that clicked in my head, the perfect arangement of something that creates what normal thought cannot.
Thou I myself thought this up, I do not hold it as truth, but as a thought. And hold by my belief that matter always was and will be, and that religion was created to do what a man on a rock could not.
And please remember that I used that which I have gathered over the years to do this, and may be wrong in what I thought was a thoery/belief (thou I see not why I can't make one myself), and that the experiences of a junior in highschool are less than I would wish for.

[5thColumn]

You made several points. I will try to address them.



From my understanding the highest form we may ever have is that of pure energy


This is the cornerstone of your argument. Granted it is a popular belief. It is also the flaw. If there is a God or some higher power that has reached some level of evolution beyond our understanding, any attempt at trying to use something that we understand to explain his/her existence (female god totaly different subject..I bet she is hot if there is one) would be inaccurate at best. Secondly to take a object that we can comprehend and apply our juvenal theories and laws of physics and matter would also result in an inaccurate conclusion about a higher power.


I personally have not decided for or against the existence of a higher power. I do have my own beliefs in regards to most modern religion. The first theory is that man has an inherent need to organize in to social groups because the since of belonging allows us to feel secure. Groups also insure survival. Groups are powered by instinct. Religious orders are merely a greater evolution of this inherent need. Many of the religious practices are based in what you should eat and in sanitation. These rules were essential to survival by preventing epidemics.

For me the pieces fit together this way. Any specific religion has just as much chance as being right about the existence of God. If I discount all the variations on religion due to the distance, oral tradition, and the group social structure, I am left with the overwhelming conclusion that man belives or has met a being more mature than itself.

There are so many variations on God, but those variations also have core concepts that are consistent thru many different religions. This must lead to a time when there was one original story,document, or event.

To address this issue I look at man's quest for knowledge and the drive to classify and organise the world around him. We have created a number system, language, and science. We are driven to understand and explain everything.

This leads to creativity. It has been proven that bi-polar is core component of creativity. The level of which either makes you mad or a phenomenal writer. The extremes of bi-polar allow you to see things that do not exist except for in your mind. Native americans regulated their breathing and took mind altering drugs (just like many different populations) to see the future and predict the weather and pray to their Gods. This leaves the question could God merely be a mental disease of halunication that caught on and became popular because it allowed for a group to feel secure?

This leaves me with my final problem. Is or was creation a singular event or merely a rubberband that constantly expands and contracts. This is probably the hardest question. Since astrophysicstis can not explain why some parts of our universe are moving faster away from us than other parts we are still lack a formula that could allow us to anwser this question.

In conclusion God/higher power has 90% chance of being real because of the fact that so many people belive that it is, the 10% is for the a charismatic leader that was high and bi-polar that convinced everyone he was / or there was a God. Any theory that trys to classify this power as a reconizable object will fail because it is a flawed model, thus God could not die during creation because our rules of mater do not not apply. Creation could not be a reoccurring event as we currently understand how our universe works, otherwise all the galaxies would move in an expected pattern just like it did every time before. So yes virginia there is a Santa Clause.

[Father-Time.]

A very interesting topic indeed.
Controversy, theories and beliefs.

All make a good story.

I for one do look at the scientific side of things as well as the stuuf we cannot comprehend let alone explain, rationalise or even give out theories.

The topic of GOD will always provide many hours of conversation. Every one will have their own belief, their own say on things, yet none of us will have the answers, believe me i have looked long and hard!!!

Scientific Theory:

There was a big bang and the world formed during the next 150 million years. From a single organism. Well i think that theory has its flaws. :?

Deity Theory:

God created the world in 6 days then rested. This also sounds a little dodgy to me. Do deity's need rest? Do deity's need six days?

Different religion's take on the deity theory:

All similar (ISH) based around a similar theory anyway, one that says our god gives us this!!.

The only thing we recieved from god, is the thing we always chuck back at him ((I am not convinced there is a god) but i am looking) :wink: FREEWILL! The right and priveledge to decide what, when and how we want to do something.

Questions we ask.

Why does he let that happen?
If there was a god he(She) would do something about it, why dont you?
I deserve his help, why have i not got it?
Blah, blah, blah!!!

If god exists then he gave us one thing (That may have been a mistake on his part) the one thing he gave us in abundance was FREEWILL!

We decide what we do. (Wife permitting)
We decide where we go.
We decide what we believe in.
We decide our own thought's, beliefs and speculations.
We have our own mind, and our thought's!!!

There are those that believe ib god and follow his path.
There are those that only ever turn to god when he is needed.
There are also those that just do not believe at all.

A friend once told me that the biggest ever deception to take place was the global concept that the devil did NOT exist, the biggest lie they called it.

One thing is for sure, questions will be asked, answers will be given, those answers lead only to more questions! Who has the answers to those questions i know not!

One thing is for sure, if i ever meet the deity that may or may not exist, i have a stack of questions for him, and that conversation i look forward to :D

FT

[-=DoW=- Baseball]

i'm a very religious person, as is my girlfriend, i look at it this way. The odds that a big bang happened and created all life on earth is the same odds that a tornado swept over a barn and built a 747.....

[-=DoW=- GOPfan]

I read an article about just these sort of topics and if I can find it I will add a link, but a couple points I would like to make are these:

1. In order for the creation theory to hold any water you have to accept the idea that there had to be gene mutations for the organisms to "evolve." Theres one problem with this idea. Mutations still occur today .... they are called diseases and birth defects. Infact, in modern science, there are NO mutations that are for the better. This is a concept set forth in the article I had mentioned earlier.

2. My second point is simple. All of these types of discussions are very interesting and entertaining but they are pointless. If you are a "believer," as I am, no argument will change your beliefs because FAITH is the crux of your beliefs. I believe in god not because of what anyone can prove to me but because I know in my heart that it is the truth. God created us then sent Jesus to die for our sins.

Regardless, Thank You RyoxSinfar for the thread, this is a topic I love to discuss. :)

[recon73]

I think Baseball said it all.
First of all, no one would even know there was a God if it wasn't for the Bible, which is the documented proof of our Creator. If you don't beleive The Bible is the word of God, then you might as well say there is no God. I personally have seen and heard proof of Jesus Christ (God). I was raised a Pentecostal Christian. He is as real as me and you. I guess that's the best testimony I can give. Praise His Name! :banger:

[RyoxSinfar]

well GOP, in response to number one. How long have re recorded these mutations? Is it not possible in the extremely large amount of time for a succesfull mutation to take place? Since documented history after the calendar was set into place, how much has man evolved? But that is only some 2000 years and lets even say 3 thousand before that. But thtas only a small piece of time. I am sure that before history was well documented there were mutations that did not work out so well. The strong survive and the weak died back then (well alot more often).

One might even say Eistein was a product of evolution. He did (I believe) donate his brain to science after death. And I very well remember hearing that his brain was in fact different frmo that of normal men. I think, thou I am not sure, that he had a flattened area where there is usually a crease and this caused his intelllegence (or thats what they siad because of the section it was in). Thou of course he did have drawbacks in other areas because of this (I believe), but didn't we lose strength as our brains developed? If we did evolve didn't we sacrifice agility?

If this ever doesn't make sense, sorry, I just type it as it comes out.

[recon73]

Maybe he fell on his head when he was your age. :P

[.Psycho]

i'm a very religious person, as is my girlfriend, i look at it this way. The odds that a big bang happened and created all life on earth is the same odds that a tornado swept over a barn and built a 747.....
even though im atheist......all my friends do agree that the big bang theory is just a little wierd...i have to agree with you baseball........that just sounds a little to un-ethical......wierd thing that someone would think that an explosion of gasses could create a galaxy. I dont believe scientists when they say we were the first human beings........who knows if there were humans just like us so VERY long ago......and i wonder if theres other humans on some planet some billion light years away just like us that we may someday find out....this is just my opinion.....but i think the whole person sitting above us watching everything we say do and live is just a little uneasy. think, having someone watch you sleep.......go to the bathroom........shower.......it just sounds a little creepy to me......and i somewhat do believe in re-incarnation where you come back as something when you die.....and heaven and a hell im not sure about, but the re-incarnation i think might just have a little truth to it.....cause whats the point of just dying and poof.....nothing.....guess ill find out in the next 70 years......dang this is the longest post ive ever made....guess ill just end it here :banger:

[RyoxSinfar]

not an explosion of gases. Compressed matter that just couldn't be compressed anymore. then boom.

And recon, I just write this stuff down as soon as it comes into my head (evident in the fact that my facts are usually not presented in a neat order and I often stray off topic when I think of something to add, cause I immediatly add it), This is the sorta stuff that just pops into my head as I walk around in school (I was also really close to full body VR, just with no physical contact yet. Bit of a curve but that was necessary). And yes I fell on my head as a child (I still have the scar). I believe I was two and being chased around by my mom. One slip later my forehead hit a stone edge on our fireplace (inch lower and it mighta hit my eye). And for some reason I have this memory of my mom carrying me up these stairs (which are just like those at this chinese restaurant and alphabet soup is coming outa my head).

So ya maybe he did fall :P Maybe I am the next eistein and I can be all white haired with the tongue stickin out. (yeah my meds wore off a while ago so I ain't filtering my thoughts anymore)

[-=DoW=- GOPfan]

http://www.creationscience.com/

This is a very interesting web page talking about genetics and evolution. Thought you guys might enjoy it. :D

[.Psycho]

dont even get me started on evolution :twisted: :lol:

[5thColumn]

I think both evolution and creationism both have valid points. If you belive in God then evolution has room to be valid in religion. If God made us in his own image could he have not made us the same way he was made? Who says God did not evolve. This same argument is valid for the scientific community it validates evolution by it being the act of a higher power.

I admitly am open to any and all possibilities. I do not think either side is completely right or wrong. It comes down to us still being infants in this universe, if we were not we would be able to set aside our stead fast rules of how we feel the world was put together. Once we transcend the way we look at things and reach the next level of thinking (which is evolution in and of itself) we may find that both sides are right.

In the end whatever makes you a good human being and gets you thru the day, allows for society to progress. If their is a higher power then this its goal for us. If there is no higher power then we are just a moral advanced society that has chosen to belive in something greater than ourselves that benefits society as a whole, which is a higher power also.

There is something that motivates us, real or imagined, I belive it is essential to our survival and sucess.

As to psyco and his
but i think the whole person sitting above us watching everything we say do and live is just a little uneasy
I would think God is like a parent. They care for you and nurture you but they can not possible watch you at all times.


And to believing in re-incarnation, that is miles away from being agnostic. re-incarnation is based on good people coming back at a higher state of being and bad people coming back at a lower level of existence. Sounds like a religion because someone has to decide how good you were and what you will come back as. ... talk about someting making you uneasy, someone else deciding you fate.

[.Psycho]

i cant even decide my own fate........let alone have someone/thing doing it

[-=DoW=- GOPfan]

http://www.creationscience.com/

This is a very interesting web page talking about genetics and evolution. Thought you guys might enjoy it. :D

[RedStorm]

I dont believe scientists when they say we were the first human beings........who knows if there were humans just like us so VERY long ago......and i wonder if theres other humans on some planet some billion light years away just like us that we may someday find out....this is just my opinion.....

I have to disagree with you here Psycho.. You know what are the odds that there might be another living organism that had the same mutations we had and staied at the top of the "food chain" (Maybe it was eaten even before evolving..)?? I think the odds are way too low...

Just my two cents..

Greetigns
Alejandro "Red Storm" Lois

[argnt21]

creatism and the big bang theory are the same thing to me. one is a relegious point of view and the other is a atheist point of view. Either way, there was a bunch of matter and all the sudden it created all life in the universe(7 days is pretty sudden for the creation of a universe if you ask me). Something caused it to happen, I choose to believe it was god. But either way you think something made it happen and is therefore responsible for all life. This also means to me that he or the cause if you rather created it and is therefore the cause for all evolution that happens also. It all points to a higher being or cause that made it all happen, I think all the theories come back to the same place.

But regardless to what you believe we all have free will, we control what we do and the people that we become. I think that is all that really matters is the ability to be good or bad person rests solely in our hands alone. I don't really care how I got here. all I really care about is what I do while I am here. It is something that I try to keep in mind always, it doesn't cost anything to be nice. It doesn't cost anything to be polite, and anyone who is able to read this post is indeed blessed by knowing a lot of wonderful people here. That is what I believe, but I am quite happy to see that no matter what we all believe we are able to keep it civil and discuss it like adults :D

[-=DoW=- Lago]

First of all let me say that coming from a 17 yr old in todays world i am very impressed. I grew up in a catholic family. Went to catholic schools, sunday school the whole shebang. My beliefs are this. There is a higher being of some sort out there. He/She pops in and out of our lives ( everyones ) in may ways. Some people notice some people don't. But He/She is still there. I don't believe that the Bible Is necessarily the whole truth but there are somethings in the Bible that i do believe and some i don't. The Bible has been changed so many times over the years no one really knows what the real Bible said because it was written in a language that was no longer spoken when it was discovered. So the wording isn't necessisirly what was meant at the time. also the meaning of words mean different things in different languages. So how can people take what is written literally?

Everyone knows there no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole. Anyone whos been in a firefight knows this. But i also believe that there isn't only one religion that is right. They all have some truth to them in one way or another. I believe that if your good you go to heaven and if your bad you go to hell. It doesn't matter who you pray to we all end up praying to the same entity.

I'm sure that there isn't anyone out there who couldn't pick apart another religion on several fields. But if they truely look at each religion and see the similarities between them rather than the differences the world would be a better place. Call me an optimist.

Just my 2 cps.

Lago

[JL]

I personally have seen and heard proof of Jesus Christ (God).

Hooah Recon! :banger:

[NyteDrgn]

Einstien was not mutant...gesh stop reading xmen and read something more realistic :P . As for your comments about god being"light with a mind", not true, man was created in his image. If you want to theorize about how thigns were created, please read the bible first. It's border line offense in my opinion for people who haven't read the bible to critizes it's teachings. I don't go to church, never beleived in organized religion......but I belive in god and the bible. I have seen and done way to many things that could be considered miracles or god's helping hand to not believe in him. I am not a normal "christian", I believe in christ's teaching. And that a "church" can be anywhere, christ hardly ever preached in a church/building.

[recon73]

Night Dragon, Jesus taught in the Synagogs "Daily" they were in fact buildings, the so called church didn't come into existence until after Jesus was crucified. It also says in the Bible, we are not to forsake the gathering together of the Saints, which is a commandment to go to church. We are saved through faith, Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. The point i'm making is, i hear a lot of folks say "I don't need to go to church to be saved", That is a devil's lie. There's a whole lot more to Christianity than believing in God, Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. ,But you won't see any of those in Heaven.
:P

[RyoxSinfar]

[quote="-=DoW=- NightDragon"]Einstien was not mutant...gesh stop reading xmen and read something more realistic :P . quote]

Its different if you have laser beams comin outa your head than if a miniscule crevice in your brain did not exist where it should. (quick off topic, anyone else think it is funny that Nightcrawler is religious but the fact that he exists goes against religious beliefs?)

I was raised catholic, but our generation is leading in the era of rebelion and open mindedness. When I told my mom and dad that I would prefer to be aethiest they didn't really understand. And being raised when they did, felt I would be sorry later on and wish I believed. But Still it is very easy to see how much more our parents took from our grandparents then I see now in me. (thou we of course have fell into habits just as they did, but values and beliefs differ) While my dad attemps to hold a firm grip on the family (much like his father) he goes so far as to not even thank us for help (My theory being it puts him in a position of weakness he was taught to avoid). He grew up when people were prefering to just be the norm. Self expression took form by what was the trend (this coming from what I have recieved in classes and experience with family). Maybe the fact that we never really encountered hardships where we praised god for his blessing, and that may have changed to a degree after 911 and for those who know people or were themselves in iraq or afghanistan.
On another slightly off topic note, I also find weakness in myself and avoid it when I can (habits form weakness, wants form weakness, weak will is weakness), but hold it in a different light and value than my father, in that one does not have to have a fist of steel over our heads to keep it out. (the best defense if you will, while he keeps on offense. And hey, maybe I adopted this in reaction to his)

But back to the real issue here. First off, I am not sayign that a HUMAN being must have lived throu this (thou I have heard some people belive this has all happened before and that the universe just goes in cycles). And in no way am I saying that only humans may um... "ascend" shall we say? It could be who knows what (almost said god knows what, lol).

Also in no way am I saying that this entity would be omnisent. (and remember I feel we crusified him), but he may well be able to watch over certain people at certain times. And sometimes he is in the right place and the right time.

(I went real off topic but erased it, this is my stuff off meds and the first was on meds. I am very open mouthed off meds ;P weakness!)

[-=DoW=- Bulldozer]

Night Dragon, Jesus taught in the Synagogs "Daily" they were in fact buildings, the so called church didn't come into existence until after Jesus was crucified. It also says in the Bible, we are not to forsake the gathering together of the Saints, which is a commandment to go to church. We are saved through faith, Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. The point i'm making is, i hear a lot of folks say "I don't need to go to church to be saved", That is a devil's lie. There's a whole lot more to Christianity than believing in God, Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. ,But you won't see any of those in Heaven.
:PYeah what he said :anim_soa:

[JL]

For by grace are ye saved through faith

:D HOOAH again recon!

[JL]

It's not my job to try to change everyone's mind about how you believe, however I do feel that it's my job to tell you the truth. Go to my band's website and check it out. You'll find some answers to life there.

jl

www.truelife24.com

[-=DoW=- Old School]

I am an agnostic and think I will go have a nice drink and watch this post grow and Grow and GROW.

-Matt

[5thColumn]

I ll join you for the drink. I think clearer when my mind is cloudy. All I will do is get in trouble by posting more in this topic.

[-=DoW=- GOPfan]

One Point....

Fellowship is one of the keys to Christianity... and most religions for that matter. I believe it is impossible to be a "christian" on a deserted island. You need the fellowship to keep yourself "grounded." So to say you can be a "christian" and not attend any form of a worship service, I believe, is false. For each his own, but as a Christian I must share the TRUTH.

[-=DoW=- Boomer]

This is my little contribution

The SPACESHIPS of EZEKIEL by J.F. Blumrich

this is technology in the 6th century before Christ..
this is not Von Daniken..

[recon73]

2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

I don't believe in aliens, but either did Elijah. But still interesting.
Another interesting passage from the Old Testament describes God looking down upon the earth... Seems the Bible describes the earth as being round long before Columbus came on the scene.

Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

[NyteDrgn]

I Have read the bible like 10 times, I know it says that you should do this shouldn't do that...blah ....blah...blah. I've had very indepth conversations with bishops, priest, and arch-bishops of roman catholic and whatever the one with the pope is called(they are differant roman still uses latin and no kneelers or pues and no women allowed near alter). They have all said that the bible is the word of god, and we should follow it and live by it. They have also said that god gave us free will and is all forgiving(as long as you are truely repentant and it was not a mortal sin), and since not attending church is not a mortal sin......I am forgiven :P . I have been raised under differant circumstances, our local churches are very corrupt. The local business owners CAINE Transport/ cold storage are very controlling of every one in the area. I could not attend church or confirmation class without persicution for being "differant" (red spiked hair, black clothes and not owning a million and one differant gas guzzling pieces of speedy death). And every church I go to I see hypocrites, or corruption. I can't stand it, people pray to a god and preach understanding. But I can't walk into a church wearing a black suit and sunglasses(my eyes are very photo sensitive) without some sort of gossip or remark. I'm practicly hated at most churches. Hasn't anyone heard of judge lest ye be judged. Society is wicked when it comes to stereo-types, I know most people do it...I do it but only when I know that a person falls into a stereo-type. And worse yet is most people encourage their children to be a stereo-type, some even pressure them if they're not a jock or a prep. It's disgusting, and even worse some parents emotionally abuse their children because of physical appearance(my gf's parents do it and her dad's lucky he has cancer or I would have unleashed my rathe along time ago). Society is disgusting, even though people try to be politically "correct"...most people still deep down inside hate others who are "differant".......but I'm gonna shut up. I need to go meditate and punch my 200lb bag off sand(I've gotten it swinning so much teh chain has worn away at the two 2x8s it's hanging on).

[5thColumn]

No Offence to all...even though I will offend all. This post began with the existence of God and the thought that is required to wonder if in fact a being pure of all mortal inadaquisties could possible have done what was required to create what we belive. It has since become an entrenched argument.

All I have to say is get back on topic

[Gungjuilio]

I dont get it..... :weirdthr:

[recon73]

No Offence to all...even though I will offend all. This post began with the existence of God and the thought that is required to wonder if in fact a being pure of all mortal inadaquisties could possible have done what was required to create what we belive. It has since become an entrenched argument.

All I have to say is get back on topic

Don't worry about offending, this is a discussion, and everyone is presenting their views. On the other hand if this string had to stay on track according to the (alphabet soup) thought process that was presented originally, we wouldn't know which direction to go. As for my replies, I was trying to focus on what I think Ryox was in err about. But...
:2cents:

[RyoxSinfar]

Hey, I didn't mean to start nuthin. I just wrote down some stuff that popped into my head and here we are. All I am saying is, if I was put on the spot about the Bible I would say It was started by someone very smart, in that he realized the need for moral standards. And at the time this became the norm to keep people good and kind etc... I do not know whether he just wrote it or had people write it with him and they made it up. Or he orchestrated some of the events first then wrote down everything with that following. Or maybe he just did all that stuff then someone else got the mind to write it who really believed.

Again, my notion of the post was to put down that which i had thought of not 2 hours prior. The bible as I see it is a message to all with the simple meaning of "Please be good for the sake of good". But I am not accusing those who did it of be charlots who did wicked acts, they were good people who did what was right when the right idea presented itself. (and now I am gonna have to say I believe this considering how much I am inclined to write as it was instead of might of been)

That or it is a message that each of us is our own god in that our minds are all powerfull. But thats is a bit of a weak arguement. Thou something I would like to prove considering if I was presented with a cataclysmic situation I would ask/demand of my mind instead of ask/demand of a god or higher power.

(the thought that brought about my Mind's Strength theory being that I have an overactive imagination, and could not sleep for every time I closed my eyes I would picture horrid things. Things that are not scary but are so eery as to frighten you (such as when a horror film has a ghost/dead person moving in a blocky way) and I sought something to stop it. I kept just trying to think of darkness of nothing. The only thing capable of taking my mind off everything is the thought of a constantly changing image (I usually use a ball chaning to ice to fire to etc...) but even this was not working. For some reason my mind was the worst as it ever has been with these images that often plagued me. And as I saught salvation an image found its way into my head. It was an angel coming down to protect my mind. And I thought to myself, did god help me? Did he send this down to protect me? Maybe I am wrong. No, this is not a messager from god. This is what came of from my mind. A protector I created from need to help me. Simple yet beutifull, meaningfull in just the right was as to do just what I could not do from will. And I thought, its not that one can just will something away. But my mind is all powerfull. I just need to create that which I can bring myself to believe and let this happen. I have even tried it out and there is only one thing you need. Belief, I have felt cold and warmed myself to a degree. Felt pain and used images to take most of it away. Thou the power behind this is so weak, yet one who believes understands. You may even add thought to it. What makes me breath, my heart pump, my eyes see? The mind, so why must it obey what it did naturaly? And instead block thigns out or change what I think or feel?

Thou I realize this comes from my un medicated state I must still say. I used to have a bad problem with memory. I could remember maybe 8 good memories of happenings before I was.... say 14, and that still is the same today. But what flooded my head was every single emberassing moment I ever had. Every awkward thought, every time I was made fun of bad, every time peopel laughed at me. It all just would pop up in my head. Nothing I could do, it was in there and refused to leave. After that one night I began to use that same concept and fought against these like I used to but with meaning or other things. Instead of blocking it out I kept it up front but fought to remove it all together. Often using a mental avatar to do so. My medicine helps me now but it is not always in affect. I have fought my own mind in class and at home, all the time. What once I thought was a standstill, because I could not beat my own mind. Was now turning in my favor because I became more capable of commanding my own mind with these "meanings". This is the best example of my belief of a god. That we each have our own, we just personify it best with a holy god above. )

Maybe another time I shall tell of a more... personal happening with this theory. But I doubt I would become weak enough to reveal such a thing.

Ah, thou this drasticly changes the mood, I know I am quite the dramatic sometimes. But believe me when i say those "meanings" were all I had to protect myself.

- The mind cannot comprehend infinity. yet the mind in itself has infinite power.

[-=DoW=- Boomer]

If not for the Bible where would we be.
Just think,No More War ! wot a thought :_idea:

[FlipinAsian]

*Illegally injects 15cc of suspended Methylphenidate into Stephen's arm*

I hope you got my PM Ryox...

[recon73]

Ryox, (This is an invitation not condemnation or ridicule) if you want to have a "valid" opinion about the Bible, why not read some and then comment. The Gospel (good news) of Jesus Christ is a road map to salvation that was paid for by the Blood of Almighty God (Emanuel = God in the flesh = Jesus Christ). Belief in God does us "NO GOOD" unless we follow his words. God says...Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Whenever we say we are "not so bad" or "I'm basically a good person" we are calling God a liar. (by the way.. the filthy rags spoken of in this passage are menstrual cloths, women didn't have tampons back then.)

[Stryker[v³]]

Gah... Life was simpler when we thought girls had cooties :wink:

[RyoxSinfar]

Ryox, (This is an invitation not condemnation or ridicule) if you want to have a "valid" opinion about the Bible, why not read some and then comment. The Gospel (good news) of Jesus Christ is a road map to salvation that was paid for by the Blood of Almighty God (Emanuel = God in the flesh = Jesus Christ). Belief in God does us "NO GOOD" unless we follow his words. God says...Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Whenever we say we are "not so bad" or "I'm basically a good person" we are calling God a liar. (by the way.. the filthy rags spoken of in this passage are menstrual cloths, women didn't have tampons back then.)

Well actually when I first brought up the topic to my psychiatrist (my little brother feeds off others, he has the same mind for psychology I do but to a lesser degree and uses insults that thou are untrue, I cannot prove otherwise. He drove me nuts and the only time I ever did anything in anger was attacking him once. So now I see a guy. I didn't even scratch the little so and so thou). And its funny when he says that many people in history also believed that our minds are gods. Thou I was unable to research it it was called MIND. It is actually the commonly held belief of some of the greats minds in history. He even said I should try reading it. But honestly. I don't have time these days. I need to get back to work, I had a bad lapse when I got addicted to FF:TA. 53 hours of gameplay in 8 days for a GBA game. But hopefully I can get back to spending my extra seconds working. And now I have all this 3D math I need to learn.

[recon73]

Gah... Life was simpler when we thought girls had cooties :wink:

"THEY DON'T!?!??!??!"...Facinating! :shock: :!: :shock: :?: :shock: :!: :shock: :?: :!:

[FlipinAsian]

Shhh! Shaumelia will use the stick on you Recon!

[recon73]

OOOPS!!! I forgot... :P Uhhh.. NM

[-=DoW=- Baseball]

hehe....i found out girls don't have cooties when i accidentally kissed one awhile ago....hmmm, was very intriguing....<<<i know i just butchered that word something fierce but WHO CARES!?