Quick question about "graphics hack"

[Jet_Black]

can you breifly describe what consists of a graphics hack plz. i dont know, and alot of it is that. if it is what i think, then i guess you should add me, because of SF Sandstorm i dont have any tumblweeds on the ground. but all i did was edit the SETTINGS in the aao cp. but plz let me know. because some of the screenies look like they are just from overclocking or tweeking the graphics card a bit. not really cheating, because there is no program for it, just knowledge. anyways im off subject. plz let me know. thanks

[Acedeal]

You can not overclock a video care or other hardware to get these screen shots.
This is a not-so-known game engine hack / exploit . Using this, is the same as cheating.

If your view looks like this, ie - no fog / high lighted edges / etc, then your using an exploit of the game engine that the Dev's at AA are aware of.

http://www.dow-sniper.net/images/cheaters/fr_milkyNips/fr_milkyNips.jpg
As you can see, there is no / None / Zero Fog in this screen shot. This is an exploit of the game engine.
We are well aware of how to re-create this.

[Jet_Black]

if it is an exploit then it is not cheating. i just dont get it. if it is a program then i would label it cheating myself, but i dont get it. then i guess call me a cheater, because i use the SPAWN SHOT is SF SANDSTORM exploit ALL THE TIME. but AA hasnt said anything that i know of that it is against the rules. but i dont know. i dont know anyone that has done this yet. i just think calling someone a cheater for an exploit is wrong. it can be turned against you for libel. i just dont know how you can get those screenies. man your email box must be HUGE. wow. oh well. i still dont get it. maybe you can narrow it down for me. is this ONLY caused by a PROGRAM or can it be done by TWEEKING LEGALLY your cards and stuff.

[Father-Time.]

It is NOT possible to recreate this type of screen (That you see) using the ingame graphics control panel!! Thats it. I cannot and will not tell you how to recreate this type of screen.

if it is an exploit then it is not cheating.

Exploits are cheats!!

An exploit is something that the game developers did not intend to be in the game. It is usually a graphics bug, but not always.
EXPLOITS ARE CHEATS!
Make no mistake if you use them on our servers you WILL be banned from our servers. It gives you an unfair advantage over other gamers.

So to answer your question.

NO it cannot be done by manually tweeking your video card settings from within the AA graphics control panel.

Hope this clears it up for you. Have a nice day.

FT

[Acedeal]

your Opinion and ours on what constitutes cheating is another matter.

What you do on other servers is no concern of ours. That's for others to deal with.


i just think calling someone a cheater for an exploit is wrong. it can be turned against you for libel.

Ok, again your opinion.
Was the map designed to show fog in a multi-player game?
Does that Screen Shot have Fog?
NO?
= Cheater
so sue me.
I think a hacker using an exploit to break into a computer system to gain advantage over that system is against the law? So by your standards, putting his butt in jail is just wrong, and we should sue the Corp for putting him there, and labling him a hacker / theif ? NO ??

moving on....

[Jet_Black]

lol. lol. instead of calling it a hack which is a PROGRAM you should dubb it a graphics alteration resulting in unfair advantage or something like that. because how you described it it is not hacking. i just wanted to let you guys know that hacking is done by layers and layers of programming, not by changing the graphics hud or whatever. im just letting you know, because its not nice to says someone is a cheater when there is no OFFICIAL comment from AA saying that this is an official cheat. I do understand that they dont intend on stuff happening, but you guys take it into your own hands. now evil hacks, i do not one bit defend in anyway. i have been a victim of evil hacks before. not fun. but when i see someone do somthing that is not AGAINST THE RULES or AA then i dont see anything wrong with that. i just wanted to know why you u call things hacks, when they arent. if you are trying to do this to get rid of people you dude hackers and cheaters that just play the game to all fair advantages, then you should just get out, because ive seen thousands of different people use certain exploits to their advantages. thats my 2 cents.

[[FR]Lostchopper2]

It is NOT possible to recreate this type of screen (That you see) using the ingame graphics control panel!! Thats it. I cannot and will not tell you how to recreate this type of screen.

FT

you should swing by the AA.com official site, the tweeks they list there don't involve the ingame panel, heck, even a few SANCTION tweeks which will give you a further line of view DO use third party programs, BUT, to COMPLETELY remove the fog, is an EXPLOIT, which isn't a HACK, but is un-honorable, and against most servers rules, so yes, its bad mojo :stick:

now then, that screen shows NO FOG, but doesn't show ANY hack, and it has been determend its an EXPLOIT, so lets be PC here please (to be honest, to call someone a hacker is COMPLETELY differnt then to call someone an EXPLOIT user... their both bad in my book, but an EXPLOITER will be put down with the next patch...) and make sure from here on out, milkynips ISN'T affiliated with FR, and that he isn't a HACKER, but someone who just exploits known/not so known bugs... 8)

[Jet_Black]

your Opinion and ours on what constitutes cheating is another matter.

What you do on other servers is no concern of ours. That's for others to deal with.


i just think calling someone a cheater for an exploit is wrong. it can be turned against you for libel.

Ok, again your opinion.
Was the map designed to show fog in a multi-player game?
Does that Screen Shot have Fog?
NO?
= Cheater
so sue me.
I think a hacker using an exploit to break into a computer system to gain advantage over that system is against the law? So by your standards, putting his butt in jail is just wrong, and we should sue the Corp for putting him there, and labling him a hacker / theif ? NO ??

moving on....
no i dont think you get it. there is no rule that i am aware of that states that exploits are against Americas Army rules regulations. now the 203 glitch, that is wrong because of the map rules, eg) no grenades. But when you in the public call someone a cheater or hacker without official rules stating that it is wrong thats what i mean. i dont mean that i condone cheating in anyway, but certain you cant be vigilantes. i guess i just want you guys to realize that. if it happens in your servers, do whatever hell you want to. make a list of names dubbed "cheaters" and make it go each round or whatever, its your server. but when it becomes public, it should be PCed(politcally correct) only because of so many happy sue people out there. im just i guess warning you guys, because someones gonna do something extreme and it wont be pretty. exploits are just that, exploits. but accusing those who do do it officially dubbed legally is not right in my book. i just wanted to let you know. just another opinion. cuz i know lots share mine.

edit: this is all my opinion not that of Force Recon or Syndicate Customs or RandomHeroes.net. If i cant express my opinnon, then this world has gone to @#$%#. And if you think "man what an a@###*e", be in mind i do live in California where we are raised and taught so show our opinnon. so thanks for barring with me here :D.

[Father-Time.]

I have posted a defintion of Hack elsewhere in the forum. But i will post again.

hack1 [hæk]
verb
1 [when intr, usually foll by at or away] to cut or chop (at) irregularly, roughly, or violently

2 to cut and clear (a way, path, etc.), as through undergrowth

3 (in sport, esp. rugby) to foul (an opposing player) by kicking or striking his shins

4 (Basketball) to commit the foul of striking (an opposing player) on the arm

5 [intransitive] to cough in short dry spasmodic bursts

6 [transitive] to reduce or cut (a story, article, etc.) in a damaging way

7 to manipulate a computer program skilfully, esp., to gain unauthorized access to another computer system

8 [transitive] (slang)
to tolerate; cope with
example: I joined the army but I couldn't hack it

9 hack to bits to damage severely
example: his reputation was hacked to bits
noun
10 a cut, chop, notch, or gash, esp. as made by a knife or axe

11 any tool used for shallow digging, such as a mattock or pick

12 a chopping blow

13 a dry spasmodic cough

14 a kick on the shins, as in rugby

15 a wound from a sharp kick
[ETYMOLOGY: Old English haccian; related to Old Frisian hackia, Middle High German hacken]


hack2 [hæk]
noun
1 a horse kept for riding or (more rarely) for driving

2 an old, ill-bred, or overworked horse

3 a horse kept for hire

4 (British) a country ride on horseback

5 a drudge

6 a person who produces mediocre literary or journalistic work

7 Also called: hackney (U.S.) a coach or carriage that is for hire

8 Also called: hackie (U.S.) (informal) a a cab driver
b a taxi

verb
9 (British) to ride (a horse) cross-country for pleasure

10 [transitive] to let (a horse) out for hire

11 [transitive] (informal)
to write (an article) as or in the manner of a hack

12 [intransitive] (U.S.) (informal)
to drive a taxi
adjective
13 [prenominal] banal, mediocre, or unoriginal
example: hack writing
[ETYMOLOGY: 17th Century: short for hackney]


hack3 [hæk]
noun
1 a rack used for fodder for livestock

2 a board on which meat is placed for a hawk

3 a pile or row of unfired bricks stacked to dry
verb [transitive]
4 to place (fodder) in a hack

5 to place (bricks) in a hack
[ETYMOLOGY: 16th Century: variant of hatch2]


Also see hacker,


hacker ['hækə]
noun
1 a person that hacks

2 (slang)
a computer fanatic, esp. one who through a personal computer breaks into the computer system of a company, government, etc.


Also see Hacking.


hacking ['hækıŋ]
adjective (of a cough) harsh, dry, and spasmodic


These are all from http://www.wordreference.com a fairly reliable source wouldn't you say.

I guess we all use the term "Hack" differently from what its definition is.

95 percent of the AA gaming community = GUILTY as charged.

Also

(to be honest, to call someone a hacker is COMPLETELY differnt then to call someone an EXPLOIT user... their both bad in my book, but an EXPLOITER will be put down with the next patch...)


They both use their knowledge to give themselves an unfair advantage over other unsuspecting players. There by they ARE one and the same thing.

FT, still hoping you have a nice day!

[Jet_Black]

hack2 [hæk]
noun
1 a horse kept for riding or (more rarely) for driving

2 an old, ill-bred, or overworked horse

3 a horse kept for hire

4 (British) a country ride on horseback

5 a drudge


I never knew that. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[Acedeal]

No, I don't think you get it jet.
When you break our rules your cheating. Period Plain and Simple.


dont mean that i condone cheating in anyway, but certain you cant be vigilantes. i guess i just want you guys to realize that. if it happens in your servers, do whatever hell you want to. make a list of names dubbed "cheaters" and make it go each round or whatever, its your server. but when it becomes public, it should be PCed(politcally correct) only because of so many happy sue people out there


Like I said, you will not be the first nor will you be the last.
And thank's for your permission, we will do what-ever the hell we want to here.


http://www.dow-sniper.net/phpbb2/rules.php#3
I think we state it clearly enough for you to even understand jet. Looks to me that's pretty clear. Break it / your cheating.

1 sugguestion , either turn it down a notch, or how was it you said

im just i guess warning you guys, because someones gonna do something extreme and it wont be pretty. :lol:
As beavis and Butt-Head would say
"Are you theatening me?"

EDIT

be in mind i do live in California where we are raised and taught so show our opinnon. so thanks for barring with me here

:) Oh my, that explains all the Political Correctness Junk.
Hey a kettle is Black, but let's be PC and call the Kettle Blue :) Don't want to offend anyone.... Give me a break plz.
You left-coasties need to lighten up on the PC agenda, it's not working :)
Your opinion is valued here, but not your PC correctness. (so stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel :fly_angl: )

[Jet_Black]

i have. it is just when i am called a cheater i will confront. that is just it. must be the italian in me :). and it was beavis by the way who said, "I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO, I NEED TP FOR MY BUNGHOLE....WAAAAAAAAHHH" :P. if you think this is xtreme, i just hope you dont get what [AASS] has done to people. ive heard them hacking into personal computers and taking their personal information and stuff. as well as changing web site passwords and deleting it and everything. cuz my friend is a hacker and i call him CRAZY BILL(because he is crazy) and he is like that. you get a REAL hacker mad....watch out. pretty soon your arrested for sending death threats to the white house or stuff like that. oh well. i guess some poeple never change. just like my grandpa who call African Americas the N-word or Another animal that i know most know about.

[Jet_Black]

again i do not condone cheating. i just want to get that out there. with discussion and re-reading of my posts, i guess it does look like I do. :P. and this has nothing to do with the FR milky nips post, which some people think so. it is with thought on ALL GRAPHICS "HACK" posts here. i just am a debate guy i guess :P

EDIT: and this is only a representative of MYSELF AND MY OPINION, no ties to anywhere.

[Father-Time.]

Your posts do seem to condone cheating, also your last second to last post appears to condone hacking. Which is obviously illegal. Other than that i feel fairly safe in the knowlege that our security is handled by an expert. :wink:
Back onto topic now though.

If you condone the use of exploits/hacks/glitches or any other gaming enhancement not intended to be used by the game developer then you are NO better than a cheat! In fact you are a CHEAT.

This is not directed at you, just surmisation, thats all.

Here are examples of what we consider CHEATS, of course remembering we live in a world that allows free speach :wink:

1, You use EH or one of its variants.
2, You use a known/little known graphic exploit to gain an advantage over other games.
3, You use any other type of hack/exploit/glitch/enhancement to gain an advantage over other gamers.

I think you can get the general impression here. "Gain an advantage over other gamers" thus deteriorating their gameplay at your expense. -=DOW=- feels this is cheating, we WILL kick/ban whoever we like like for doing any or all of the above. You know why we will do this, because we provide a safe and cheatfree environment for players, who know when they get shot, they were shot or killed by someone with talent, not someone relying on and exploit!

Plain and Simple!! and a little long sorry.

I do enjoy a good debate :wink:

[-=DoW=- Dsotm]

Jet perhaps I can cut through the fog here. We run sniper only servers with rules and boundaries that generate an even playing field for all. The only way to rack up kills on our servers is lots of practice and knowledge of the maps. Any cheat/exploit/hack that gives one player an unfair advantage over others is not allowed for obvious reasons - it skews the game nfairly.

The screenshot above shows that this player has turned off his fog. Whether he did it with a cheat/hack/exploit the end result is the same - he is altering the advantage to himself in a way that was not intended by the devs. He will therefore be banned. I have spoken to Tony Ray at Evenbalance on this and there are several ways (including both a hack and hardware/software issues) that this screenshot could occur. Either way, no one wants to play someone who has his fog turned off. If you think its un-PC to publicly name players who have these ss then I suggest you go and play with them on a server and see how quickly you get tired of being killed by the 'invisible man'

Either way, they are banned from our servers. That way our servers are place that many regular players keep coming back to, becuase they know that we keep the cheating w******s off of them.

We are not a PC clan. Our admins were the first to use Evilhack to catch Evilhack users. We told AA in their own forums that it was a great way to catch cheaters. They told us it was illegal and we should stop. We told them to shove it, unless they could keep cheaters off servers we were paying good money for. Their answer was conspicuous by its absence.

We probably take more steps and innovate new ways of eliminating cheaters than any other other clan. We do it because we love the game, and want players on our servers to enjoy it too. If our methods are too strong for you, then you should try playing on official servers, where I believe, the elimination of all admins has really made it tough on cheaters (NOT!!!)

[recon73]

Go Colonel! Go Colonel! :P

[-=DoW=- po632003]

It's a Hack/cheat etc.. call it what you want.. we can recreate it, and it is not done in the settings.. so that makes anyone using it a cheater!! period!!!! :stick:

[Silent One (Banned)]

YES!

[-=DoW=- Saw_Gunner69]

ALL this arguing symanticks is giving me a freaking headache....BOTTOMLINE
(correct me if im wrong here Ace) If you cant play with honor and integrity...then your not welcome on our servers...... be it an exploit or a hack....you using and unfair advantage to mak eyour self look good....guess what in my book your a worthless scumbag...Yeah my fragrate is .60 but ya know what every point and frag is well earned. and i take great pride in that. nuff said on this subject i have more important things to post on.

[ByteMe97]

So close Saw...

More to the Bottom line. OUR -=DoW=- SERVERS. This means if we deem it B/E/A, hack, cheat it is whether anyone outside -=DoW=- feels that way or not.

[Father-Time.]

Dont think he wants to debate anymore :lol:

[-=DoW=- MauryMac]

Guesss it wasn't such a quick question afterall :D

[-=DoW=- halfdolla]

maury you crack me up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



p.s. watch out for the :.50:

[Sapp6767 (BANNED)]

i could hack it to make my screen look like that but im so good i don't have to :D :D :D :D

[5thColumn]

Sapp i cant wait till I get to shoot you a few times on bridge!!! Its going to be fun!

[Jet_Black]

ok. i didnt know that your severs were so guidlined. i thought they were just a regular old server. but i still think exploits like 203 in sandstorm shouldnt be called cheating. that is it. i guess if i knew how to do the fog thingy, then i would know if it were just a tweek rather than a complete altercation. kinda like the center-view bind. or no frag-out call, which are hacks or semi aimbots. i just didnt know what type of thing this was. i guess all in all i was defending myself more than just seeing what the graphics hack was, because i use known exploits like in sandstorm and czar and hospital. but they just in game exploits like spots and stuff. so i guess when i started arguing for that i got a little off track in my thought. :P. anyways hope you guys catch more evil-hack losers and aimboters. but to a side note: the only thing i would really use an aimbot for would be for the marksmenship training :mrgreen: :mrgreen:, but thats because im lazy :P

[Ev!L]

Good lord please put a lock on this dead horse.

[Gungjuilio]

Ace, Father, Ds and all other -=DoW=- members replies pretty much sum it up. On our servers you must adhere to our rules....end of discussion. Just my :2_cents: :2_cents: not that it carries much wieght. Rock on Gen and Col. :banger: :banger: :banger:

[Hari Seldon]

Good lord please put a lock on this dead horse.

Ok, Mr Ed.