Should we allow the V?

[CrocodileUnD]

Can i just have a good reason why we do not allow the V Weapon?.


Fair enough it is full auto but it is still classed as a sniper weapon...
We use the SPR because it is classed as a sniper rifle weapon!!!
People say that the game is evolving to new weapons so we should stay with the times!!!
The fact that it is an auto is not a substantial reason, i just wanna know where everyone else sits on this question?

My point is it has a very very very limited Clip, about 1 seconds of shooting or something like that and it only has a 4x scope, easily outranged by just about everything...

[PandaJew]

personally i dont consider either the V or SPR a sniper just because when you kill someone with it, it says shot by not sniped by. I think that by using both of these guns you diminish the skill of a good sniper to just be an average one. On the other hand I also think DoW does need to change with the times so maybe we should have 1 of the SPR servers also all V's. I dont know those are my comments!!! :banger:

[Coldsteel]

Neither are snipers... the SPR is a semi auto assault rifle with a scope... A agree with pandajew that using the SPR/V does diminish skills as a sniper but 1 server for both is ok. :banger:

[Panda]

The fact that a V has an auto mode will make people try to use them in CQC. In fact people will probably tend towards CQC, which is pretty much not the purpose of sniping at all. At least with the SPR you're still shooting people from far away. With an auto people might also begin to just spray certain areas repeatedly, not really aiming and possibly not even getting a kill, but at least they've eliminated that area for the opposing team to go to. To do that doesn't require much skill and once again isn't the point of sniping.

[FatMan!]

Well what the hey, we could throw up a V server for a while to test it out and see what happens, and if we like it, we keep it. If not, we get rid of it. Call it the DoW V TEST server or summin

Just a thought :_rockon:

[FlipinAsian]

Neither are snipers, but you have to admit, the SPR is just so nifty!

I wouldn't mind having a separate server for both the V and SPR, but it will probably cause more confusion on the servers for everyone else. Remember what happened when VI and UK came around?

[-=DoW=- SSgt Hunt]

Niether are classed as sniper they are both considered counter-sniper rifles. The fact that one goes into a full auto mode tends to cause certain actions (as Panda pointed out) that are not allowed nor do they promote the ability to snipe. Also, the general opinion of -=DoW=- was not to allow the VSS.

SSgt H

[-=DoW=- Saw_Gunner69]

Ok my :2cents: both the SPR and V are classified as Counter-Sniper Weapons. If I put a scope on a RPK does that make it a sniper rifle??? its got a single shot mode remember....No I think as much trouble as we have with people choosing V we will have more problems trying to keep them from using the auto mode....A test server great we'll use your computer.... :twisted: :twisted:

[FlipinAsian]

Or Phatal's... :banger:

[-=DoW=- Body Piercer]

When the SPR and VSS first came out they were both tested and the consensus was the SPR (if I remember right) barely passed and VSS was pretty much blacklisted because it goes full auto and no one really liked it. It's already hard enough to keep all the yahoos that can't be bothered with DoW rules to stop trying to use it, why add to the headache? If you want to use a VSS hit one of the servers out there that use it or setup your own server.

DoW sniper maps are single shot weapon maps and have been very popular because of that reason. If we started using the V on bridge then we'd be no different than any other clans that do.

[ByteMe97]

vss is auto ergo promotes cqc 10 shots no scope as 5 feet doesn't take much to win that fight...

Both are counter sniper weapons

[5thColumn]

If you allow the V then you should allow the at4 also. :stick: :stick:

reminds me of people that go fishing with tnt

[CrocodileUnD]

You cannot say that people do not blind fire and shoot at popular spots it happens all the time with the spr!!!
And also We have rules to stop cqc etc the 4minute rule
and u cannot say it will create more headaches because admins are all banning people because of the V all the time.

And also Blind firing is not allowed on our servers you should remember that if we are going to have these debates. or we could sit all day on what people might do even though they arent allowed to...


In my eyes we should not allow the SPR or the V, Sniping is a single shot thing.. the m82 i think is still a single shot cause u have to wait for it too settle down after shooting it...

[CrocodileUnD]

Most of the reasons for having the SPR is a draw factor.. No-one can tell me that if u have both it wouldnt draw as many or even more people to the maps...

[-=DoW=- SSgt Hunt]

Other sniper servers might allow the V but who has the most people most of the time? :roll:

[argnt21]

btw when you shoot someone with a shotgun it says sniped them, does that make it a sniper? on the other hand if you shoot someone with a spr it says you shot them, does that make it not a sniper? just thought I would throw that out there

[Panda]

Imagine with the V how many defenders there would be standing at the pillars unloading down the middle of the bridge. And any defender up in the tower will spray down at a side of the arch at the slightest movement. Assulters won't even look into windows anymore, they'll just unload 10 rounds into it. People might even wait for the 4 minutes so that they can rush down and use their V in CQC.

The SPR is at least similar to snipng with the single shot and the extreme ranges. The V is just no where close.

Those are my two cents.

[Acedeal]

No V.

[{Shaken}]

I guess that settles that. I'm happy, I agree with Ace.

[-=DoW=- po632003]

No V!

[-=DoW=- The_Ultim8]

Has anybody actually tried to use the V? I did once shoot with it, the first bullet hits approximately your target, the other ones just miss completely (if i keep pushing down the button). I wonder why people want to shoot with it, it's no good.

But since the Big Boss and the Big Admin said "No V" i guess this post doesn't add anything (like a lot of my other posts :D )

[SilberPfeil]

Just like with any other automatic weapon you have to use contolled bursts. An ideal burst for that type of weapon is 3 rounds, but most people just want to hose you with and will not let up on the trigger(mouse button) so it makes it a useless weapon on our all of our servers.

[-=DoW=- Body Piercer]

u cannot say it will create more headaches because admins are all banning people because of the V all the time. I said that wrong, what I meant was the headaches would come from the people that wanted to use it on all the servers because they could on one. It's the same with the SPR on the UK versus on DoWIII. DoW III doesn't allow it but UK does. I've had arguements with people because they wanted to use it on DoWIII rather than just change servers.

And also Blind firing is not allowed on our servers you should remember that if we are going to have these debates.
OK you lost me here, isn't that what we've been saying? People already DO blindfire, the VSS would just make it worse.


In my eyes we should not allow the SPR or the V, Sniping is a single shot thing..
This is the most confusing of all, if you don't like or want it either why did you start this thread in the first place?

[BlkHawkJoe]

VSS is just another reason for ppl on DoW servers to try to get away with as much as they can, if we ever had V, then soon after we'd have def on middle tower or leaning in windows with it spraying ppl. also if we had VSS, i wouldnt be able to TK so many ppl.

[Sapp6767 (BANNED)]

no V there is to much spamming as it is

[-=DoW=- Boomer]

Scroat the V is more a cuz of the M4M
the way your looking at it. In that respect of
the rounds,the site,the single shot or auto.Every few weeks this
monster awakens & every time it goes back to sleep :lol: :lol:

[TR-JustinMc06-]

I was playin IC with a few peeps the other day, just doing like snipers only, m9 only, ect. and the V is a horriable weapon as far as sniping goes, it is great in CQC cuz it has the dammages of the sniper rifles with the speed of the M4's.

I don't like the SPR as far as sniping goes, because it take away the whole 1 shot 1 kill thing, it normally take at least 3-4 shots to kill someone with the SPR compared to the S, S24, SVD, and (whatever that other one is :P) I personally liked the sniping back in the day when it was just those 4 guns, i hardly ever go on the DoW servers now because of the SPR... it is a cool gun but the fact that it is so automatic just doesn't suit me. Im up with ace on the no V. the SPR is ok, but it just dosen't seem like a true sniper to me because it is extreamly had to get the 1 shot 1 kill. anyhow, just my 2 cents.

[Gungjuilio]

Too hard to manage as an admin....NO V!!!

[-=DoW=- Wildman]

NO V. We have tried it and it is still No V. GET IT :stick: :stick: :stick:

[FlipinAsian]

:lol:

Wouldn't wanna pull a DEV now, would we?

"We will not have knives or handguns in this game."

:lol:

[-=DoW=- Body Piercer]

Justin, Dow I & III are still classic rifles only. No SPR or VSS or Pistols allowed. Now you have no excuse not to come around!

[TR-JustinMc06-]

Yes i do, you guys always kill me :roll:

[Gungjuilio]

Thats because we like you!! As a target! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[-=DoW=- Wildman]

No Dev's I'll get you their to :stick: :stick:

[JL]

If I mounted a scope on my 12 gauge shotgun would that be a sniper weapon too? I like the original sniper rifles. I can do with the spr on a server or 2 but I hate the vss and don't think that it should be allowed on any DoW servers. I'd really rather use the m24 more than anything. Give an spr to a noob and he can own the map. :D

[FatMan!]

whoever made the comment about the VSS and SPR not registering as "sniped by" but instead saying "shot by" does that mean we can use the shotgun? Cause the registers as "sniped by" :lol: :lol:

[BlkHawkJoe]

Maybe we could do a test change or something, like the different DoW servers have diff weaps. 1 with mos&svd, 1 with s&s24, 1 like uk that has all but VSS, and one just VSS or V and SPR???

[BlkHawkJoe]

what im trying to say is that i think this way people might have an easier time training on a specific weapon with sum1 noobing them with a spr or v

[GI_Jeremy]

i think the v should be considered after all, the game is gonna keep adding new rifles and everything, and why all the complaining about spr, i mean theres 2 or 3 other dow servers that doesnt allow spr, so if you dont like spr wouldnt it be easier to click on dow server that doesnt have spr as a rifle on it? it'd be alot easier than comeing to the forums and typeing them long messages complaining about spr. grow up guys the spr is the best sniper rifle out there, thats why dow made a server that allows you to use it. come on now geez[/bible]